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From: Stewart on 8 Feb 2010 00:18 "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:pan.2010.02.07.22.00.55.260337(a)e86.GTS... > On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:26:26 -0800, Stewart wrote: > >> >> "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message >> news:Xns9D178C1E7E91Dtegger(a)208.90.168.18... >>> "Stewart" <gortamus(a)gmail.com> wrote in >>> news:hkk62t$ag0$1(a)news.eternal- >>> september.org: >>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>>> Dare we say Class Action Lawsuit? Everyone affected will get >>>> $2500 off >>>> their next new Toyota purchase, >>> >>> >>> >>> More likely you'll just get a coupon for $10 off your next oil >>> change. >>> >>> >>> >>>> and the lawyer firm will get millions..... >>>> >>>> >>> >>> That's a certainty. That's what mass tort is for. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tegger >>> >>> >> A fair and equitable distribution for the customers troubles. Now >> where >> did that Microsoft coupon go...... > > Really. The only people who win in a class action lawsuit are the > lawyers. > > > You won't get an argument from me on that point.
From: jr92 on 8 Feb 2010 01:13 On Feb 7, 9:16 am, jim beam <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: > On 02/06/2010 11:37 PM, jr92 wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 5, 1:17 am, Tegger<inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: > >> jr92<coachros...(a)hotmail.com> wrote innews:28a1db53-7537-473d-8873-d2afacbd189a(a)k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com: > > >>> On Feb 3, 10:17 am, jim beam<m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: > >>>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/ts_alt_afp/japanusautocompanyrec.. > >>>> .. > > >>>> "US chides Toyota over recall" > > >>>> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. > > >>> You mean, like the Japanese version of protectionism that, in 2008, > >>> exported over 2 million vechicles to the US, while at the same time, > >>> only allowing 12 thousand American nameplates to be imported > >>> there?????? > > >> So what? Maybe the Japs simply don't like our cars. Ever thought of that? > >> If WE won't buy them, why would THEY? > > > If that is the case, why not let the free market decide??????????????? > > > If you are right, the Japanese would NOT buy US products. > > > But, of course, they MIGHT buy US if they HAD THE CHANCE TO DO SO IN > > THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > The GOVERNMENT restricts the number of US imports sold in Japan. > > > If there were "TRUE FREE TRADE", and the Japanese still didn't buy > > from the USA, you might have a point. > > > But, being they are not allowed to so IN THE FIRST PLACE, you simply > > make a moot point/ > > > Why not give the Japanese the CHOICE TO REJECT US > > NAMEPLATES????????????????? > > > Maybe because the Japanese government fears the public might not do > > so??????? > > that doesn't explain why japanese vehicles sell so well in all the other > markets where u.s. manufacturers are free to compete. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry#By_Manufacturer > > note that > > 1. vw outsells gm globally for cars. > Might be true today. Tomorrow might be different. The market is very fluid at this point, and who " out sells who" changes almost monthly. Fact of the matter is, wether they are second, first, or third in total sales, GM sell MILLIONS of vehicles world wide, in markets where they ARE ALLOWED TO COMPETE!!!!!! I've said it a thousand times before, but here it goes again: If you sell MILLIONS OF ANYTHING, it ain't junk. Junk doesn't sell, not by the millions. So, getting back to my original point, GM sell Millions of cars and trucks world-wide, but only 12000 in Japan. Sounds to me Japan is using very unfair trade practices, or "protectionism". > 2. gm's non-domestic product line includes opel, a range of cheap, > small, efficient vehicles with global appeal that sell well in other > markets [but they don't make them here]. they have a real hard time > selling their domestic product line overseas and they'd be sunk if they > were so trying. > Yet, they cant build Buicks fast enough for China. Selling 'em by the millions. And they are hardly either, "non-domestic, nor cheap, small efficient vehicles" > fact is, the japanese make better, more reliable vehicles that sell well > in every market in the world. u.s. domestic vehicles have very limited > appeal outside domestic markets so this "protectionist" argument doesn't > wash.. > > Fact is, you are wrong, once again. Any way you can objectively compare US to Japan clearly shows American nameplates are as good as, or better than, what Japan has to offer. Check the numbers. As far as biased-typed comparisons, I guess you'll have to stick to the likes of Consumer Reports or the mass media (but wait, they are beginning to hammer at the Toyotas like they did Gm in the 80's and 90's.) I guess we'll have to go to newsgroups like this and listen to the likes of you whine about how unfair the media is treating Japanese vehicles. Hell , even Jim Higgins has posted negative things about Toyotas lately. If that ain't a sigh they are in trouble, I don't know what is! > > > > >> There's a reason Toyota has the market share they do, in spite of all the > >> hatred directed against them from certain quarters. > As does GM. Don't forget, they haven't left the planet yet. They are still selling millions of cars and trucks. Actually, its pretty amazing how they still sell so many vehicles considering the things they have had to over come in the past 30 years. Just more evidence they must make a pretty damned good product, > >> -- > >> Tegger- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: jr92 on 8 Feb 2010 02:45 On Feb 7, 9:53 am, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: > jr92 <coachros...(a)hotmail.com> wrote innews:c37f1896-29f5-406f-afd0-bca4507d2fcb(a)f15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com: > > > > > Maybe because the Japanese government fears the public might not do > > so??????? > > Who cares? Why is it so important that they buy our cars? > Two reasons. 1. This is a car newsgroup. That is what we usually discuss here. 2. More importantly, opening up the Japanese would undoubtably result in an increase in US car sales, meaning more jobs. > We've got lots of other stuff to sell Japan besides cars. > Like what???? Radios????????? Televisions?????????? > Canada last year, for instance, sold just a little more overall to Japan > than Japan did to Canada. > > -- > Tegger
From: jr92 on 8 Feb 2010 02:47 On Feb 7, 11:08 am, Clive <Cl...(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote: > In message > <c37f1896-29f5-406f-afd0-bca4507d2...(a)f15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, > jr92 <coachros...(a)hotmail.com> writes>The GOVERNMENT restricts the number of US imports sold in Japan. > > >If there were "TRUE FREE TRADE", and the Japanese still didn't buy > >from the USA, you might have a point. > > I believe there really is free trade, it's just that so many makes of > car don't conform to the tight Japanese specification. No, the Japanese Government restricts the number of US cars allowed to be sold in the US. No free trade at all is allowed. > -- > Clive
From: Tegger on 8 Feb 2010 09:29
jr92 <coachrose13(a)hotmail.com> wrote in news:e8a4bbdc-c48e-4723-a855-719ec33c0d33(a)f8g2000yqn.googlegroups.com: > On Feb 7, 9:53 am, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: >> jr92 <coachros...(a)hotmail.com> wrote >> innews:c37f1896-29f5-406f-afd0-bca45 > 07d2fcb(a)f15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com: >> >> >> >> > Maybe because the Japanese government fears the public might not do >> > so??????? >> >> Who cares? Why is it so important that they buy our cars? >> > > > Two reasons. > > > 1. This is a car newsgroup. That is what we usually discuss here. But cars aren't the entire world. No realistic discussion of this issue can be limited to one single product, regardless of where the discussion takes place. > > > 2. More importantly, opening up the Japanese would undoubtably result > in an increase in US car sales, meaning more jobs. > > > > >> We've got lots of other stuff to sell Japan besides cars. >> > > > Like what???? Radios????????? Televisions?????????? You are truly the Google-challenged. Or you're just trying to pick a fight. From: <http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/japans_top_exports_imports> Japanese Imports from U.S. Of the $59.6 billion in American exports to Japan in 2006, the following product categories had the highest values. 1. Civilian aircraft - US$3.5 billion (5.9% of Japan from U.S. imports, up 9.4% from 2005) 2. Medicinal equipment - $2.7 billion (4.5%, down 2.2%) 3. Industrial machines - $2.3 billion (3.9%, up 17.9%) 4. Telecommunications equipment - $2.1 billion (3.5%, up 10.6%) 5. Semi-conductors - $2.06 billion (3.5%, up 10.4%) 6. Corn - $2.0 billion (3.3%, up 22.1%) 7. Pharmaceutical preparations - $1.8 billion (3.0%, up 13.2%) 8. Computer accessories - $1.75 billion (2.9%, down 2.4%) 9. Measuring, testing & control instruments - $1.69 billion (2.8%, up 16.4%) 10.Organic chemicals - $1.4 billion (2.4%, down 6.4%) Fastest-Growing Japanese Imports from U.S. Below are American exports to Japan in 2006 with the highest percentage sales increases from 2005. 1. Military apparel & footwear - US$196.3 million (up 185.9% from 2005) 2. Precious metals - $871.6 million (up 117.6%) 3. Copper - $222.2 million (up 78.2%) 4. Fuel oil - $75.6 million (up 77.9%) 5. Aluminum - $304.9 million (up 62.4%) -- Tegger |