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From: Clive on 11 Mar 2010 15:26 In message <AoKdnQ3q7fDA4wXWnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net>, jim beam <me(a)privacy.net> writes >look at the numbers. they should bring the guy that runs their >european [opel] operations over here and have him run the show. That must be why he's shutting the Belgium plant and is making a further 7000 around Europe redundant then. (Sorry, you would call that "letting them go") -- Clive
From: jim beam on 11 Mar 2010 22:38 On 03/11/2010 12:26 PM, Clive wrote: > In message <AoKdnQ3q7fDA4wXWnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net>, jim beam > <me(a)privacy.net> writes >> look at the numbers. they should bring the guy that runs their >> european [opel] operations over here and have him run the show. > That must be why he's shutting the Belgium plant and is making a further > 7000 around Europe redundant then. (Sorry, you would call that "letting > them go") well, if the sales aren't there, how can they keep people producing stuff? my point is, that guy runs a tight ship with market-appropriate product that sells. over here, they still sell garbage based on 1950's "technology", of terrible quality, and that the consumer doesn't like, all while pimping the taxpayer to keep their dumb asses stuck to that retarded formula. makes no sense. bring the germans over here - they know how to make cars, with local labor and components, and do so at a profit. -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: Tony Harding on 15 Mar 2010 07:52 On 03/11/10 00:15, jr92 wrote: > On Mar 10, 10:20 pm, Tony Harding<thard...(a)newsguy.com> wrote: >> On 02/08/10 02:41, jr92 wrote:> On Feb 7, 9:41 am, jim beam<m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>>> On 02/06/2010 11:28 PM, jr92 wrote: >> >> <snip> >> >>>> no so with the rest of the global markets buddy, and our product line >>>> sucks - that's why it doesn't sell. >> >>> Sells only in the millions. >> >>> SOMEBODY is buying them. >> >> Right! Probably why GM went bankrupt and begged for billion of taxpayer >> (our!!!) $$$, don'tcha think? >> >> <yes this was a month ago - no need to point that out> > > > There are a lot of business reasons for GM's bankrupkcty, but NOT > selling cars and trucks ain't one of them. > > Once again, I'll state this: > > They are selling cars by the millions. > > SOMEBODY is buying them. > > And these cars aren't suddenly accelerating out of control, having > failing braking systems, rusting out of control, or being recalled > more often than they are being sold, unlike a certain "king of > quality" car company that is suddenly under fire, albeit about 20 > years later than it should have been. ROTFLMAO - you're much funnier that I first thought. :) Speaking of market share (of the US market, as I understand it), GM peaked at 54% in 1954. For 2008 it was 19%, a great sign of a well managed company selling well built products. Here's a chart: Year % 1941 41 1954 54 1959 42 1990 36 2007 22 2008 19 and a URL http://www.forbes.com/2007/01/01/gm-market-share-oped-cz_jf_0102flint.html
From: Tony Harding on 15 Mar 2010 07:56 On 02/11/10 01:00, jr92 wrote: > On Feb 8, 10:00 am, Tegger<inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: >> jr92<coachros...(a)hotmail.com> wrote innews:5d78097d-2d68-4fb9-8829-e1e2b7fda354(a)z26g2000yqm.googlegroups.com: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Feb 7, 11:08 am, Clive<Cl...(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>>> In message >>>> <c37f1896-29f5-406f-afd0-bca4507d2...(a)f15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, >>>> jr92<coachros...(a)hotmail.com> writes>The GOVERNMENT restricts the >>>> number >>> of US imports sold in Japan. >> >>>>> If there were "TRUE FREE TRADE", and the Japanese still didn't buy >>>> >from the USA, you might have a point. >> >>>> I believe there really is free trade, it's just that so many makes of >>>> car don't conform to the tight Japanese specification. >> >>> No, the Japanese Government restricts the number of US cars allowed to >>> be sold in the US. >> >> It does not. Not since 1978. >> >> >> >>> No free trade at all is allowed. >> >> Have you bothered to do /any/ reading about this? American makers have >> simply failed to address the needs and desires of the Japanese market. >> >> <http://www.jama.org/library/studies100297.htm> >> >> Excerpt: >> "Compounding these problems, the report said, was the fact that the Big >> Three had never built a car under 2,000-cc engine displacement - the >> segment that at the time accounted for more than 80% of the entire market >> (18) - nor had they designed any cars for Japan with the steering wheel on >> the right-hand side.(19) Moreover, prices of U.S.- made cars "tend[ed] to >> be higher by approximately 20% on average than those of comparable >> Japanese-made cars," the report said, despite the fact that Japan had >> completely eliminated auto tariffs in 1978.(20)" >> >> -- >> Tegger- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > This whole statement you made here is simply full of doo-doo. > > you use a few factual statments, but mostly biased ones here. Biased facts? You've gone off the deep end now.
From: Tony Harding on 15 Mar 2010 08:06
On 02/12/10 11:40, Ed White wrote: > On Feb 8, 2:47 am, jr92<coachros...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> On Feb 7, 11:08 am, Clive<Cl...(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> In message >>> <c37f1896-29f5-406f-afd0-bca4507d2...(a)f15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, >>> jr92<coachros...(a)hotmail.com> writes>The GOVERNMENT restricts the number of US imports sold in Japan. >> >>>> If there were "TRUE FREE TRADE", and the Japanese still didn't buy >>> >from the USA, you might have a point. >> >>> I believe there really is free trade, it's just that so many makes of >>> car don't conform to the tight Japanese specification. >> >> No, the Japanese Government restricts the number of US cars allowed to >> be sold in the US. To the previous poster, not Ed, is the Japanese govt so powerful it can restrict "the number of US cars allowed to be sold in the US"? Wow, I had no idea. |