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From: Clive on 13 Feb 2010 09:09 In message <_8-dnYBUQemkhuvWnZ2dnUVZ_sdi4p2d(a)speakeasy.net>, jim beam <me(a)privacy.net> writes >> You're just plain thick. > >that doesn't translate over here dude. our side of the pond, "thick" >means fat - what you mean is "stooooopid". Sorry I'll amend that to "Stupid". -- Clive
From: jr92 on 15 Feb 2010 02:20 On Feb 12, 4:20 pm, Clive <Cl...(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote: > In message > <27aa6eb0-1477-47a7-b5be-335c076b6...(a)b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, jr92 > <coachros...(a)hotmail.com> writes>Of course, I have never been to the moon, either, but there are things > >I know about it, some through scientific fact, and others, simply > >through common sense and reasoning. > > I don't see any common sense, or reasoning.>My common sense tells me that if the government would truly lift > >restrictions the Japanese people would buy a whole helluva lot more > >than 12000 GM products a year. > > You've been told by more than just me that restrictions don't exist. > Who, in their right mind is going to by a gas-guzzling vehicle while > fuel prices are $10 a gallon.>And if they did not buy the American products, the Americans would > >lose money, and quit selling there. > > You've had pointed out to you the range of items that make up a > considerable trade from the USA to Japan.>Best that I can tell, that scenerio has never happened, as the > >Japanese people have never been given a real chance to buy American > >autos. > > You're just plain thick. Maybe, buy just not naive. There are a million ways a government can impose restrictions on items being imported into their country, making it nearly impossible for the item to be sold in the country, but, it would still, "legal" to sell the item in that country. And we are both using generalizations regarding the Japanese. On one hand, you are saying they WILL NOT buy our products, because gas is expensive. Others who have posted here say our cars are too large. Others have said the Japanese simply would not want to buy our product because it is inferior. My Generalization is based on a little common sense. Many Japanese people have embraced a Western civilization lifestyle. They like jeans, pop music. McDonalds, and baseball, along with a lot of other things we have to offer. It goes to reason they would also like some of the cars, just like millions of Americans like the cars THEY have to offer. Not real hard to understand. Yet, we buy MILLIONS of their vehciles, and they buy only 12000 of our cars. Something just isn't right here. And, BTW, not all of Japan is located in Toyko. Some people live out in the country, where they would be able to own and drive a big American vechicle. A lot of people there also have money, so, high gas prices wouldn't necessarly, be an issue. Besides, if that were the case, there would be NO Toyota type vehicles, such as a Camry, Corolla, or one of their pick up truck lines sold there. The Japanese simply would not be able to afford to drive them. Those vechicles get, on average WORSE gas mileage than comperable American vehicles. It goes without saying that if, in a TRUE free trade system, a Chevy Malibu, which is of higher quality and gets better gas mileage, would sell in Japan if a Camry sells there. Or, are you saying they don't sell Camry's there? > -- > Clive
From: Clive on 15 Feb 2010 06:47 In message <630520b1-f4f4-4fb7-ac3a-be7422c94c13(a)g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, jr92 <coachrose13(a)hotmail.com> writes >On Feb 12, 4:20�pm, Clive <Cl...(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> In message >> <27aa6eb0-1477-47a7-b5be-335c076b6...(a)b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, jr92 >> <coachros...(a)hotmail.com> writes>Of course, I have never been to the >>moon, either, but there are things >> >I know about it, some through scientific fact, and others, simply >> >through common sense and reasoning. >> >> I don't see any common sense, or reasoning.>My common sense tells me >>that if the government would truly lift >> >restrictions the Japanese people would buy a whole helluva lot more >> >than 12000 GM products a year. >> >> You've been told by more than just me that restrictions don't exist. >> Who, in their right mind is going to by a gas-guzzling vehicle while >> fuel prices are $10 a gallon.>And if they did not buy the American >>products, the Americans would >> >lose money, and quit selling there. >> >> You've had pointed out to you the range of items that make up a >> considerable trade from the USA to Japan.>Best that I can tell, that >>scenerio has never happened, as the >> >Japanese people have never been given a real chance to buy American >> >autos. >> >> You're just plain thick. > > > > >Maybe, buy just not naive. There are a million ways a government can >impose restrictions on items being imported into their country, making >it nearly impossible for the item to be sold in the country, but, it >would still, "legal" to sell the item in that country. > > >And we are both using generalizations regarding the Japanese. > > >On one hand, you are saying they WILL NOT buy our products, because >gas is expensive. Others who have posted here say our cars are too >large. Others have said the Japanese simply would not want to buy our >product because it is inferior. > > > > >My Generalization is based on a little common sense. > > > >Many Japanese people have embraced a Western civilization lifestyle. >They like jeans, pop music. McDonalds, and baseball, along with a lot >of other things we have to offer. It goes to reason they would also >like some of the cars, just like millions of Americans like the cars >THEY have to offer. Not real hard to understand. Yet, we buy MILLIONS >of their vehciles, and they buy only 12000 of our cars. Something just >isn't right here. > >And, BTW, not all of Japan is located in Toyko. Some people live out >in the country, where they would be able to own and drive a big >American vechicle. A lot of people there also have money, so, high gas >prices wouldn't necessarly, be an issue. Besides, if that were the >case, there would be NO Toyota type vehicles, such as a Camry, >Corolla, or one of their pick up truck lines sold there. The Japanese >simply would not be able to afford to drive them. Those vechicles get, >on average WORSE gas mileage than comperable American vehicles. It >goes without saying that if, in a TRUE free trade system, a Chevy >Malibu, which is of higher quality and gets better gas mileage, would >sell in Japan if a Camry sells there. Or, are you saying they don't >sell Camry's there? >> Clive I don't think you've listened to anyone, certainly not me as I told you to Google for "Driving in Japan" to see the restrictions, which you obviously haven't. If there were the protectionism that imagine, how do you think (I know you don't, but that's a separate point) 12000 cars a year get in? -- Clive
From: jim beam on 15 Feb 2010 11:34 On 02/14/2010 11:20 PM, jr92 wrote: > On Feb 12, 4:20�pm, Clive<Cl...(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> In message >> <27aa6eb0-1477-47a7-b5be-335c076b6...(a)b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, jr92 >> <coachros...(a)hotmail.com> writes>Of course, I have never been to the moon, either, but there are things >>> I know about it, some through scientific fact, and others, simply >>> through common sense and reasoning. >> >> I don't see any common sense, or reasoning.>My common sense tells me that if the government would truly lift >>> restrictions the Japanese people would buy a whole helluva lot more >>> than 12000 GM products a year. >> >> You've been told by more than just me that restrictions don't exist. >> Who, in their right mind is going to by a gas-guzzling vehicle while >> fuel prices are $10 a gallon.>And if they did not buy the American products, the Americans would >>> lose money, and quit selling there. >> >> You've had pointed out to you the range of items that make up a >> considerable trade from the USA to Japan.>Best that I can tell, that scenerio has never happened, as the >>> Japanese people have never been given a real chance to buy American >>> autos. >> >> You're just plain thick. > > > > > Maybe, buy just not naive. There are a million ways a government can > impose restrictions on items being imported into their country, making > it nearly impossible for the item to be sold in the country, but, it > would still, "legal" to sell the item in that country. > > > And we are both using generalizations regarding the Japanese. > > > On one hand, you are saying they WILL NOT buy our products, because > gas is expensive. Others who have posted here say our cars are too > large. Others have said the Japanese simply would not want to buy our > product because it is inferior. > > > > > My Generalization is based on a little common sense. > > > > Many Japanese people have embraced a Western civilization lifestyle. > They like jeans, pop music. McDonalds, and baseball, along with a lot > of other things we have to offer. It goes to reason they would also > like some of the cars, just like millions of Americans like the cars > THEY have to offer. Not real hard to understand. Yet, we buy MILLIONS > of their vehciles, and they buy only 12000 of our cars. Something just > isn't right here. > > And, BTW, not all of Japan is located in Toyko. Some people live out > in the country, where they would be able to own and drive a big > American vechicle. A lot of people there also have money, so, high gas > prices wouldn't necessarly, be an issue. Besides, if that were the > case, there would be NO Toyota type vehicles, such as a Camry, > Corolla, or one of their pick up truck lines sold there. The Japanese > simply would not be able to afford to drive them. Those vechicles get, > on average WORSE gas mileage than comperable American vehicles. It > goes without saying that if, in a TRUE free trade system, a Chevy > Malibu, which is of higher quality and gets better gas mileage, would > sell in Japan if a Camry sells there. Or, are you saying they don't > sell Camry's there? wow, either amazing stupidity or clinical delusion. does the nurse let you play on the interweb very often junior? because s/he probably should be protecting you from too much reality if you can't cope with it. > > > >> -- >> Clive > -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: Clive on 15 Feb 2010 11:47
In message <b5udnceUt7MR6uTWnZ2dnUVZ_hwAAAAA(a)speakeasy.net>, jim beam <me(a)privacy.net> writes >> Maybe, buy just not naive. There are a million ways a government can >> impose restrictions on items being imported into their country, making >> it nearly impossible for the item to be sold in the country, but, it >> would still, "legal" to sell the item in that country. The problem would be solved overnight if Detroit made cars for the Japanese market, instead of putting their heads in the sand. -- Clive |