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From: pws on 15 Feb 2010 21:30 jr92 wrote: > On Feb 12, 4:20 pm, Clive <Cl...(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> In message >> <27aa6eb0-1477-47a7-b5be-335c076b6...(a)b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, jr92 >> <coachros...(a)hotmail.com> writes>Of course, I have never been to the moon, either, but there are things >>> I know about it, some through scientific fact, and others, simply >>> through common sense and reasoning. >> I don't see any common sense, or reasoning.>My common sense tells me that if the government would truly lift >>> restrictions the Japanese people would buy a whole helluva lot more >>> than 12000 GM products a year. >> You've been told by more than just me that restrictions don't exist. >> Who, in their right mind is going to by a gas-guzzling vehicle while >> fuel prices are $10 a gallon.>And if they did not buy the American products, the Americans would >>> lose money, and quit selling there. >> You've had pointed out to you the range of items that make up a >> considerable trade from the USA to Japan.>Best that I can tell, that scenerio has never happened, as the >>> Japanese people have never been given a real chance to buy American >>> autos. >> You're just plain thick. > > > > > Maybe, buy just not naive. There are a million ways a government can > impose restrictions on items being imported into their country, making > it nearly impossible for the item to be sold in the country, but, it > would still, "legal" to sell the item in that country. > > > And we are both using generalizations regarding the Japanese. > > > On one hand, you are saying they WILL NOT buy our products, because > gas is expensive. Others who have posted here say our cars are too > large. Others have said the Japanese simply would not want to buy our > product because it is inferior. > > > > > My Generalization is based on a little common sense. > > > > Many Japanese people have embraced a Western civilization lifestyle. > They like jeans, pop music. McDonalds, and baseball, along with a lot > of other things we have to offer. It goes to reason they would also > like some of the cars, just like millions of Americans like the cars > THEY have to offer. Not real hard to understand. Yet, we buy MILLIONS > of their vehciles, and they buy only 12000 of our cars. Something just > isn't right here. > > And, BTW, not all of Japan is located in Toyko. Some people live out > in the country, where they would be able to own and drive a big > American vechicle. A lot of people there also have money, so, high gas > prices wouldn't necessarly, be an issue. Besides, if that were the > case, there would be NO Toyota type vehicles, such as a Camry, > Corolla, or one of their pick up truck lines sold there. The Japanese > simply would not be able to afford to drive them. Those vechicles get, > on average WORSE gas mileage than comperable American vehicles. It > goes without saying that if, in a TRUE free trade system, a Chevy > Malibu, which is of higher quality and gets better gas mileage, would > sell in Japan if a Camry sells there. Or, are you saying they don't > sell Camry's there? Higher quality Malibu over a Camry? Wow, that is truly delusional. You must actually believe those sad GM commercials. The reason that right-hand drive Malibus are not being produced for the Japanese market is that the Japanese people would not buy that POS vehicle, at least not in any quantity, and the decision-makers at GM know this.
From: jr92 on 18 Feb 2010 01:22 On Feb 15, 9:30 pm, pws <pwshel...(a)austin.rr.com> wrote: > jr92 wrote: > > On Feb 12, 4:20 pm, Clive <Cl...(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> In message > >> <27aa6eb0-1477-47a7-b5be-335c076b6...(a)b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, jr92 > >> <coachros...(a)hotmail.com> writes>Of course, I have never been to the moon, either, but there are things > >>> I know about it, some through scientific fact, and others, simply > >>> through common sense and reasoning. > >> I don't see any common sense, or reasoning.>My common sense tells me that if the government would truly lift > >>> restrictions the Japanese people would buy a whole helluva lot more > >>> than 12000 GM products a year. > >> You've been told by more than just me that restrictions don't exist. > >> Who, in their right mind is going to by a gas-guzzling vehicle while > >> fuel prices are $10 a gallon.>And if they did not buy the American products, the Americans would > >>> lose money, and quit selling there. > >> You've had pointed out to you the range of items that make up a > >> considerable trade from the USA to Japan.>Best that I can tell, that scenerio has never happened, as the > >>> Japanese people have never been given a real chance to buy American > >>> autos. > >> You're just plain thick. > > > Maybe, buy just not naive. There are a million ways a government can > > impose restrictions on items being imported into their country, making > > it nearly impossible for the item to be sold in the country, but, it > > would still, "legal" to sell the item in that country. > > > And we are both using generalizations regarding the Japanese. > > > On one hand, you are saying they WILL NOT buy our products, because > > gas is expensive. Others who have posted here say our cars are too > > large. Others have said the Japanese simply would not want to buy our > > product because it is inferior. > > > My Generalization is based on a little common sense. > > > Many Japanese people have embraced a Western civilization lifestyle. > > They like jeans, pop music. McDonalds, and baseball, along with a lot > > of other things we have to offer. It goes to reason they would also > > like some of the cars, just like millions of Americans like the cars > > THEY have to offer. Not real hard to understand. Yet, we buy MILLIONS > > of their vehciles, and they buy only 12000 of our cars. Something just > > isn't right here. > > > And, BTW, not all of Japan is located in Toyko. Some people live out > > in the country, where they would be able to own and drive a big > > American vechicle. A lot of people there also have money, so, high gas > > prices wouldn't necessarly, be an issue. Besides, if that were the > > case, there would be NO Toyota type vehicles, such as a Camry, > > Corolla, or one of their pick up truck lines sold there. The Japanese > > simply would not be able to afford to drive them. Those vechicles get, > > on average WORSE gas mileage than comperable American vehicles. It > > goes without saying that if, in a TRUE free trade system, a Chevy > > Malibu, which is of higher quality and gets better gas mileage, would > > sell in Japan if a Camry sells there. Or, are you saying they don't > > sell Camry's there? > > Higher quality Malibu over a Camry? Wow, that is truly delusional. You > must actually believe those sad GM commercials. > You're starting to become unraveled. By all accounts, the Malibu is a better vehicle than the Camry, and it really ain't even close. Try to stay with us who live in the real world. The Malibu gets better gas mileage. Even Consumer reports, who has slammed GM vehicles for decades, calls this a 'world-class car'. And it even stops when you want it to. And the accelerator doesn't stick wide open. Yeah, it is a MUCH better car. But hell, my 06 GP is a much better car than the Camry if you compare it objectively. Better gas mileage, better handling, roomier, fewer recalls, safer, better looking (ok, the last part IS biased on my part). > The reason that right-hand drive Malibus are not being produced for the > Japanese market is that the Japanese people would not buy that POS > vehicle, at least not in any quantity, and the decision-makers at GM > know this.- Hide quoted text - > Pretty factual statement on your part, huh? Converting a Malibu to right hand would not be a hard task. The Japanese government will not allow these cars to compete, at least on a level playing field, with the Camry in their own country. Open the market, without any strings attached, and see what happens. > - Show quoted text -
From: jr92 on 18 Feb 2010 01:30 On Feb 3, 7:41 pm, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: > "tww1491" <twau...(a)cox.net> wrote innews:Fooan.26826$fu3.6796(a)newsfe12.iad: > > > > > > > > > "jim beam" <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote in message > >news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... > > >> if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they > >> need to show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like > >> detroit does, not be politically naive and simply rely on selling > >> superior product. > > > In the local paper a couple days ago, a 79 year old women crashed into > > a veterinarian's office claiming that the gas pedal on her new Toyota > > stuck. The dealer found nothing wrong with the car. With that story in > > the paper were reports of drivers complaining to the local Toyota > > dealer that they received speeding tickets because of "stuck" pedals. > > And so it has begun. And yet much more to come. > > Keep in mind that there have been exactly twelve (12) confirmed incidents > of actual stuck gas pedals on Toyotas since October. Worldwide. Over 2.3 > million vehicles. > > That's 0.00052%, in case anybody's counting. > As, of today, in case anyone is counting, the number is 34, and growing almost daily. I don't take satisfaction in posting this, as I don't want to appear to be gloating over the deaths of humans. However, the number of deaths, along with the number of accidents due to stuck accelerators on Toyotas apperar to have been kept hidden for several years. The truth is just now coming out. And it ain't pretty. > Tegger- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: Tony Harding on 10 Mar 2010 22:20 On 02/08/10 02:41, jr92 wrote: > On Feb 7, 9:41 am, jim beam<m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: >> On 02/06/2010 11:28 PM, jr92 wrote: <snip> >> no so with the rest of the global markets buddy, and our product line >> sucks - that's why it doesn't sell. >> >> > > Sells only in the millions. > > > SOMEBODY is buying them. Right! Probably why GM went bankrupt and begged for billion of taxpayer (our!!!) $$$, don'tcha think? <yes this was a month ago - no need to point that out>
From: jr92 on 11 Mar 2010 00:15
On Mar 10, 10:20 pm, Tony Harding <thard...(a)newsguy.com> wrote: > On 02/08/10 02:41, jr92 wrote:> On Feb 7, 9:41 am, jim beam<m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: > >> On 02/06/2010 11:28 PM, jr92 wrote: > > <snip> > > >> no so with the rest of the global markets buddy, and our product line > >> sucks - that's why it doesn't sell. > > > Sells only in the millions. > > > SOMEBODY is buying them. > > Right! Probably why GM went bankrupt and begged for billion of taxpayer > (our!!!) $$$, don'tcha think? > > <yes this was a month ago - no need to point that out> There are a lot of business reasons for GM's bankrupkcty, but NOT selling cars and trucks ain't one of them. Once again, I'll state this: They are selling cars by the millions. SOMEBODY is buying them. And these cars aren't suddenly accelerating out of control, having failing braking systems, rusting out of control, or being recalled more often than they are being sold, unlike a certain "king of quality" car company that is suddenly under fire, albeit about 20 years later than it should have been. |