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From: jr92 on 11 Feb 2010 00:39 On Feb 8, 9:29 am, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: > jr92 <coachros...(a)hotmail.com> wrote innews:e8a4bbdc-c48e-4723-a855-719ec33c0d33(a)f8g2000yqn.googlegroups.com: > > > > > > > On Feb 7, 9:53 am, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: > >> jr92 <coachros...(a)hotmail.com> wrote > >> innews:c37f1896-29f5-406f-afd0-bca45 > > 07d2...(a)f15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com: > > >> > Maybe because the Japanese government fears the public might not do > >> > so??????? > > >> Who cares? Why is it so important that they buy our cars? > > > Two reasons. > > > 1. This is a car newsgroup. That is what we usually discuss here. > > But cars aren't the entire world. No realistic discussion > of this issue can be limited to one single product, regardless of > where the discussion takes place. > > > > > 2. More importantly, opening up the Japanese would undoubtably result > > in an increase in US car sales, meaning more jobs. > > >> We've got lots of other stuff to sell Japan besides cars. > > > Like what???? Radios????????? Televisions?????????? > > You are truly the Google-challenged. > Or you're just trying to pick a fight. > > From: > <http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/japans_top_exports...> > > Japanese Imports from U.S. > > Of the $59.6 billion in American exports to Japan in 2006, > the following product categories had the highest values. > > 1. Civilian aircraft - US$3.5 billion (5.9% of Japan from U.S. imports, > up 9.4% from 2005) > 2. Medicinal equipment - $2.7 billion (4.5%, down 2.2%) > 3. Industrial machines - $2.3 billion (3.9%, up 17.9%) > 4. Telecommunications equipment - $2.1 billion (3.5%, up 10.6%) > 5. Semi-conductors - $2.06 billion (3.5%, up 10.4%) > 6. Corn - $2.0 billion (3.3%, up 22.1%) > 7. Pharmaceutical preparations - $1.8 billion (3.0%, up 13.2%) > 8. Computer accessories - $1.75 billion (2.9%, down 2.4%) > 9. Measuring, testing & control instruments - $1.69 billion (2.8%, up 16.4%) > 10.Organic chemicals - $1.4 billion (2.4%, down 6.4%) > > Fastest-Growing Japanese Imports from U.S. > > Below are American exports to Japan in 2006 with the highest percentage > sales increases from 2005. > > 1. Military apparel & footwear - US$196.3 million (up 185.9% from 2005) > 2. Precious metals - $871.6 million (up 117.6%) > 3. Copper - $222.2 million (up 78.2%) > 4. Fuel oil - $75.6 million (up 77.9%) > 5. Aluminum - $304.9 million (up 62.4%) > > -- > Tegger- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Sounds like YOU are Google-challenged to me. Once again, this is group about automoblies, not foreign trade (as one sided, or unfair as it may be) Opps, please strike the words within the paragragh from the records!
From: jr92 on 11 Feb 2010 01:00 On Feb 8, 10:00 am, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: > jr92 <coachros...(a)hotmail.com> wrote innews:5d78097d-2d68-4fb9-8829-e1e2b7fda354(a)z26g2000yqm.googlegroups.com: > > > > > > > On Feb 7, 11:08 am, Clive <Cl...(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> In message > >> <c37f1896-29f5-406f-afd0-bca4507d2...(a)f15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, > >> jr92 <coachros...(a)hotmail.com> writes>The GOVERNMENT restricts the > >> number > > of US imports sold in Japan. > > >> >If there were "TRUE FREE TRADE", and the Japanese still didn't buy > >> >from the USA, you might have a point. > > >> I believe there really is free trade, it's just that so many makes of > >> car don't conform to the tight Japanese specification. > > > No, the Japanese Government restricts the number of US cars allowed to > > be sold in the US. > > It does not. Not since 1978. > > > > > No free trade at all is allowed. > > Have you bothered to do /any/ reading about this? American makers have > simply failed to address the needs and desires of the Japanese market. > > <http://www.jama.org/library/studies100297.htm> > > Excerpt: > "Compounding these problems, the report said, was the fact that the Big > Three had never built a car under 2,000-cc engine displacement - the > segment that at the time accounted for more than 80% of the entire market > (18) - nor had they designed any cars for Japan with the steering wheel on > the right-hand side.(19) Moreover, prices of U.S.- made cars "tend[ed] to > be higher by approximately 20% on average than those of comparable > Japanese-made cars," the report said, despite the fact that Japan had > completely eliminated auto tariffs in 1978.(20)" > > -- > Tegger- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - This whole statement you made here is simply full of doo-doo. you use a few factual statments, but mostly biased ones here. How about using a little logic, instead????? GM sell, MILLIONS of vehicles world wide, but only 12000 in Japan. "How are the "needs' of Japan so different from the rest of the world that, given a fair chance, GM sells millions of vehicles to? Does ALL of the Japanese people live in the narrow streets of Tokyo, meaning GM didn/t make a small enough car for them?? And what about this "2000 cc engine size????? Is there some kind of Japanese law stating engines have to be a certain (small) size?????? If so, that, in itself, is a govenrment restriction, whether terriffs are used or not. Only one in about a thousand examples of how a government can restrict free-trade even without tariffs. Now go back, and Google, and Wikipedia a little more and use common sense the next time you tell me that a country that has a population of, what, about a 130 million people whom have largly embraced a Western-civilization lifestyle only buys 12000 GM cars??????? Pretty lame exuse on your part. Any you insult Japanese people with your generalations.
From: jr92 on 11 Feb 2010 01:06 On Feb 9, 10:10 am, "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote: > (Cross posting deleted, automatically) > > His comment was just one more YABUT excuse to deflect from the fact Toyota > has been ordered to recall 5.4 MILLION unsafe vehicles all around the world. > LOL > > "jim beam" <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote in message > > news:b7udnRb6_8blR-3WnZ2dnUVZ_oL_fwAA(a)speakeasy.net... > > > > > On 02/08/2010 07:00 AM, Tegger wrote: > >> jr92<coachros...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in > >>news:5d78097d-2d68-4fb9-8829-e1e2b7fda354(a)z26g2000yqm.googlegroups.com: > > >>> On Feb 7, 11:08?am, Clive<Cl...(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >>>> In message > >>>> <c37f1896-29f5-406f-afd0-bca4507d2...(a)f15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, > >>>> jr92<coachros...(a)hotmail.com> writes>The GOVERNMENT restricts the > >>>> number > >>> of US imports sold in Japan. > > >>>>> If there were "TRUE FREE TRADE", and the Japanese still didn't buy > >>>> >from the USA, you might have a point. > > >>>> I believe there really is free trade, it's just that so many makes of > >>>> car don't conform to the tight Japanese specification. > > >>> No, the Japanese Government restricts the number of US cars allowed to > >>> be sold in the US. > > >> It does not. Not since 1978. > > >>> No free trade at all is allowed. > > >> Have you bothered to do /any/ reading about this? American makers have > >> simply failed to address the needs and desires of the Japanese market. > > >> <http://www.jama.org/library/studies100297.htm> > > >> Excerpt: > >> "Compounding these problems, the report said, was the fact that the Big > >> Three had never built a car under 2,000-cc engine displacement - the > >> segment that at the time accounted for more than 80% of the entire market > >> (18) - nor had they designed any cars for Japan with the steering wheel > >> on > >> the right-hand side.(19) Moreover, prices of U.S.- made cars "tend[ed] to > >> be higher by approximately 20% on average than those of comparable > >> Japanese-made cars," the report said, despite the fact that Japan had > >> completely eliminated auto tariffs in 1978.(20)" > > > well said.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Actually the number is about 8 MILLION recalls in the past year, and growing. The number is probably over 20 million if you go back five years. But, these vechiles are so much better than the Corvar, Pinto, LTD, or 1985 Buick!
From: Gordon McGrew on 11 Feb 2010 21:55 On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:35:49 -0800, jim beam <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >On 02/09/2010 07:10 AM, Mike Hunter wrote: >> (Cross posting deleted, automatically) > >except that it's not. and nor should it be. and don't top post. > > >> >> His comment was just one more YABUT excuse to deflect from the fact Toyota >> has been ordered to recall 5.4 MILLION unsafe vehicles all around the world. >> LOL > >no, toyota have /not/ "been ordered", they have done a voluntary recall. > see frod for details of how to avoid compulsory recalls. I remember reading the Mother Jones article on the exploding Pinto problem. Ford fought for years to prevent the government from implementing rear impact standards. When the standards finally passed, the Pinto was the first car tested - and it passed!!! Ford had added a $3 shield to prevent the bolts on the differential from ripping open the fuel tank. Ford had paid millions in lobbying costs and burned 500 customers to death to save $3 per car. Ah, the good old days.
From: Clive on 11 Feb 2010 21:49
In message <158b0c2d-caf8-4eac-b139-fc97045121f1(a)d27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, jr92 <coachrose13(a)hotmail.com> writes >Now go back, and Google, and Wikipedia a little more and use common >sense the next time you tell me that a country that has a population >of, what, about a 130 million people whom have largly embraced a >Western-civilization lifestyle only buys 12000 GM cars??????? Although I've never been to Japan, I've done quite a bit of globe trotting, but your statement indicates that you've never been outside of the USA and have a very poor grasp of other countries requirements. -- Clive |