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From: Dave D on 4 Feb 2010 03:18 "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:pan.2010.02.04.00.38.36.169486(a)e86.GTS... > On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:17:45 -0800, jim beam wrote: > >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/ts_alt_afp/japanusautocompanyrecalltoyota_20100203001517 >> >> "US chides Toyota over recall" >> >> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. >> >> fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and in >> much greater numbers than toyota. >> >> fact: the media has all but ignored it. >> >> here we are, hot on the heels of political dismay at the unconsidered >> consequences of their ridiculous "cash for clunkers" program benefiting >> manufacturers of fuel efficient cars, not domestic gas guzzlers, being >> subjected to politically motivated hysterical xenophobia. >> >> fact: toyota sells better, more fuel efficient, safer, more reliable >> vehicles using american parts and american labor than domestics >> assembling >> their carp from the chinese componentry they import. >> >> if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they need >> to >> show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like detroit >> does, >> not be politically naive and simply rely on selling superior product. > > WOW! I AGREE WITH JIM BEAM!!! <thud!> > > Well said. Add to that the public likes to see the Big Dog take a stumble. > If you want some real heartburn, watch how Brian Williams on NBC is going > after Toyota...er...full throttle. Wasn't Brian Williams part of the "Exploding Chevy Trucks Fiasco"? Oh, no he wasn't. I remember now, that was Stone(d) Phillips...Too bad.... DaveD > >
From: Mike Hunter on 4 Feb 2010 10:51 According to todays Tribune Newspapers, the Chairman of the House Oversight Committee is stating Toyota will be asked about runaways problems with the Tacoma truck. The NHTSA has received over 100 complaints about sudden uncontrolled accelerations problem on the Tacoma, their truck that does NOT use the same pedal assembly as the other recalled Toyotas. The article also refers to Japans Transport Ministry releasing that their have been numerous complaints about "braking problems" with NEW generation Prius. Toyota admits they are addressing braking problems in previous Prius models but they are "unaware" of problems in the NEW generation Prius. The ever growing issue over sudden uncontrolled acceleration in most every type of Toyota vehicle is having a sensitizing effect on consumers around the world and Toyotas confusing responses are not helping the situation. Curious ah? "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message news:Xns9D148F020FD93tegger(a)208.90.168.18... > jim beam <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in > news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net: > >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/ts_alt_afp/japanusautocompanyrecal >> ltoyota_20100203001517 >> >> "US chides Toyota over recall" >> >> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. >> >> fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and >> in much greater numbers than toyota. >> >> fact: the media has all but ignored it. > > > > > Currently Toyota accounts for 41% of all unintended acceleration > incidents. > Ford accounts for 28%. Both Toyota and Ford have about a 16% market share > apiece. > > GM and Chrysler have UA numbers smaller than their market shares. I don't > know the exact number. > > > -- > Tegger >
From: Mike Hunter on 4 Feb 2010 10:56 It appears Toyota need someone with computer knowledge, not mechanics, since models with the FBY system are also presenting, with a SPEEDING up problem, not mealy staying at a set speed, as would indicate a mechanical problem. "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message news:Xns9D14942722237tegger(a)208.90.168.18... > jim beam <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in > news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net: > >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/ts_alt_afp/japanusautocompanyrecal >> ltoyota_20100203001517 >> >> "US chides Toyota over recall" >> >> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. >> >> fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and >> in much greater numbers than toyota. >> >> fact: the media has all but ignored it. > > > > Another take on all this: > http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2010/02/03/george-jonas-toyota-s-sticky-situation.aspx > The author is a private pilot, and has raced motorcycles for > many years. He has some knowledge of machinery. > > > > -- > Tegger >
From: Mike Hunter on 4 Feb 2010 10:59 The difference is, if a driver losses control of his car, it is already on the GROUND LOL "Grumpy AuContraire" <GrumpyOne(a)GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message news:xPWdna6j1_8ocPTWnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > Tegger wrote: >> jim beam <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in >> news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net: >>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/ts_alt_afp/japanusautocompanyrecal >>> ltoyota_20100203001517 >>> "US chides Toyota over recall" >>> >>> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. >>> >>> fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and >>> in much greater numbers than toyota. >>> >>> fact: the media has all but ignored it. >> >> >> >> Another take on all this: >> http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2010/02/03/george-jonas-toyota-s-sticky-situation.aspx >> The author is a private pilot, and has raced motorcycles for >> many years. He has some knowledge of machinery. > > > Good reference that amplifies the need to educate drivers as to emergency > procedures common to all vehicles. > > As a licensed pilot, a lot of this is incorporated in training. > > As a certified SCUBA diver, a lot of this is incorporated in training. > > I have long advocated that getting a driver's license should encompass > more than parallel parking etc. Everyone behind the wheel should be aware > of automotive basics as well as driving technique. That includes emergency > responses to sudden life threatening events. > > Further, cars have become far too complex for what they are expected to > deliver. Airplanes go through strict regimens of maintenance while cars > don't. Yet both approach each other with regard the degree of operating > complexity. > > Simply put, a substantial number of people behind the wheel just don't > belong there... > > JT
From: Mike Hunter on 4 Feb 2010 11:02
The problem we have in this country is that we allow people that do not know how to drive, to teach others how to drive. As the state with the highest number of bad drivers, Massachusetts wins hands down. ;) "Tony Harding" <tharding(a)newsguy.com> wrote in message news:hkcsib02o8g(a)news2.newsguy.com... > On 02/03/10 16:46, Grumpy AuContraire wrote: >> Tegger wrote: >>> jim beam <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in >>> news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net: >>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/ts_alt_afp/japanusautocompanyrecal >>>> ltoyota_20100203001517 >>>> "US chides Toyota over recall" >>>> >>>> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. >>>> >>>> fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and >>>> in much greater numbers than toyota. >>>> >>>> fact: the media has all but ignored it. >>> >>> >>> >>> Another take on all this: >>> http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2010/02/03/george-jonas-toyota-s-sticky-situation.aspx >>> >>> The author is a private pilot, and has raced motorcycles for >>> many years. He has some knowledge of machinery. >> >> >> Good reference that amplifies the need to educate drivers as to >> emergency procedures common to all vehicles. >> >> As a licensed pilot, a lot of this is incorporated in training. >> >> As a certified SCUBA diver, a lot of this is incorporated in training. >> >> I have long advocated that getting a driver's license should encompass >> more than parallel parking etc. Everyone behind the wheel should be >> aware of automotive basics as well as driving technique. That includes >> emergency responses to sudden life threatening events. >> >> Further, cars have become far too complex for what they are expected to >> deliver. Airplanes go through strict regimens of maintenance while cars >> don't. Yet both approach each other with regard the degree of operating >> complexity. >> >> Simply put, a substantial number of people behind the wheel just don't >> belong there... > > They vote, too. :( |