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From: Mike Hunter on 4 Feb 2010 11:06 Get real, there have been 19 people killed, and an untold number of people injured driving runaway Toyotas, in the US alone. If I were driving a Toyota today, I would drive with my left foot poised over the brake pedal ;) "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message news:Xns9D14C85F6C360tegger(a)208.90.168.18... > "tww1491" <twaugh5(a)cox.net> wrote in > news:Fooan.26826$fu3.6796(a)newsfe12.iad: > >> >> >> "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message >> news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... > >>> >>> if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they >>> need to show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like >>> detroit does, not be politically naive and simply rely on selling >>> superior product. >>> >> >> In the local paper a couple days ago, a 79 year old women crashed into >> a veterinarian's office claiming that the gas pedal on her new Toyota >> stuck. The dealer found nothing wrong with the car. With that story in >> the paper were reports of drivers complaining to the local Toyota >> dealer that they received speeding tickets because of "stuck" pedals. >> And so it has begun. And yet much more to come. >> >> > > > > Keep in mind that there have been exactly twelve (12) confirmed incidents > of actual stuck gas pedals on Toyotas since October. Worldwide. Over 2.3 > million vehicles. > > That's 0.00052%, in case anybody's counting. > > > -- > Tegger >
From: Tegger on 4 Feb 2010 14:09 Grumpy AuContraire <GrumpyOne(a)GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in news:xPWdna6j1_8ocPTWnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d(a)giganews.com: > > Simply put, a substantial number of people behind the wheel just don't > belong there... > Except that four of the reported five deaths involved a highly-trained policeman. -- Tegger
From: Tegger on 4 Feb 2010 14:10 "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in news:4b6aef1a$0$22841$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net: > Get real, there have been 19 people killed, and an untold number of > people injured driving runaway Toyotas, in the US alone. > > If I were driving a Toyota today, I would drive with my left foot > poised over the brake pedal ;) You're aware that Ford accounts for 28% of SUA incidents? What are they doing about that? -- Tegger
From: E. Meyer on 4 Feb 2010 13:21 On 2/3/10 7:28 PM, in article geWdnbQpzPojv_fWnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d(a)giganews.com, "dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote: > In article <Xns9D14C85F6C360tegger(a)208.90.168.18>, > Tegger <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote: > >> "tww1491" <twaugh5(a)cox.net> wrote in >> news:Fooan.26826$fu3.6796(a)newsfe12.iad: >> >>> >>> >>> "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message >>> news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... >> >>>> >>>> if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they >>>> need to show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like >>>> detroit does, not be politically naive and simply rely on selling >>>> superior product. >>>> >>> >>> In the local paper a couple days ago, a 79 year old women crashed into >>> a veterinarian's office claiming that the gas pedal on her new Toyota >>> stuck. The dealer found nothing wrong with the car. With that story in >>> the paper were reports of drivers complaining to the local Toyota >>> dealer that they received speeding tickets because of "stuck" pedals. >>> And so it has begun. And yet much more to come. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> Keep in mind that there have been exactly twelve (12) confirmed incidents >> of actual stuck gas pedals on Toyotas since October. Worldwide. Over 2.3 >> million vehicles. >> >> That's 0.00052%, in case anybody's counting. > > That is well within any reasonable sample of defects for the NASA space > program parts!!! > > THIS has been wildly overblown. BUT....Toyota has been up to the > challenge. They will have it fixed. The Toyota vehicles will be better > than the space shuttle after all is said and done. I remember a month or two after the overturning Ford Explorer fiasco hit the press there was suddenly an epidemic of SUVs of all makes and models flipping over on their sides at every intersection. Before all the publicity, I don't remember ever seeing an overturned SUV. Strange things happen when people start thinking they can cash in.
From: Mike Hunter on 4 Feb 2010 17:21
The irony is taller vehicles do not have any more tendency to rollover than any other. The perception is that a vehicle a foot taller will more easily rollover when actually the center of gravity of any vehicle is just a bit above the center line of the drive train. Wheel base has a far greater effect on a vehicles ability to rollover. The truth is EVERY vehicle has a tendency to fall back on it wheels, even when tipped up to over 45%, because most of its weight is in the bottom 20% of the vehicle. In movies, to get a vehicle to roll over, the FX guys must run one side up a five foot high ramp If height actually attributed to rollovers, one should see box trucks rolled over every day. In the end it proved that defective Firestone tires on the vehicles was the cause and not the body design. The environuts jumped at the opportunity to scare buyer away from the larger, safer vehicles that so many families were choosing to buy at the time. "E. Meyer" <e.p.meyer(a)verizon.net> wrote in message news:C7906C39.17000%e.p.meyer(a)verizon.net... > On 2/3/10 7:28 PM, in article > geWdnbQpzPojv_fWnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d(a)giganews.com, > "dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote: > >> In article <Xns9D14C85F6C360tegger(a)208.90.168.18>, >> Tegger <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote: >> >>> "tww1491" <twaugh5(a)cox.net> wrote in >>> news:Fooan.26826$fu3.6796(a)newsfe12.iad: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message >>>> news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... >>> >>>>> >>>>> if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they >>>>> need to show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like >>>>> detroit does, not be politically naive and simply rely on selling >>>>> superior product. >>>>> >>>> >>>> In the local paper a couple days ago, a 79 year old women crashed into >>>> a veterinarian's office claiming that the gas pedal on her new Toyota >>>> stuck. The dealer found nothing wrong with the car. With that story in >>>> the paper were reports of drivers complaining to the local Toyota >>>> dealer that they received speeding tickets because of "stuck" pedals. >>>> And so it has begun. And yet much more to come. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Keep in mind that there have been exactly twelve (12) confirmed >>> incidents >>> of actual stuck gas pedals on Toyotas since October. Worldwide. Over 2.3 >>> million vehicles. >>> >>> That's 0.00052%, in case anybody's counting. >> >> That is well within any reasonable sample of defects for the NASA space >> program parts!!! >> >> THIS has been wildly overblown. BUT....Toyota has been up to the >> challenge. They will have it fixed. The Toyota vehicles will be better >> than the space shuttle after all is said and done. > > I remember a month or two after the overturning Ford Explorer fiasco hit > the > press there was suddenly an epidemic of SUVs of all makes and models > flipping over on their sides at every intersection. Before all the > publicity, I don't remember ever seeing an overturned SUV. Strange things > happen when people start thinking they can cash in. > |