GM Dealer Challenges the Toyota Tundra's Ads... AS BULL
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From: samstone on 20 Mar 2007 12:43 On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:39:32 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >"C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message >news:45fffdf2(a)kcnews01... >> >> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:LXRLh.5275$ya1.2331(a)news02.roc.ny... >Every product has a defect now and then. However, you apparently missed the >word "INTENTIONAL". Tell me you saw it, and what you thought about the >presence of the word in my comment. > VW had a slick one, back before digital sp/odometers the same little plastic gear failed early for over 20 years. ;-) >
From: Mike Hunter on 20 Mar 2007 13:34 To find parts or to get them cheap, naturally. ;) mike "Dante" <dante(a)xmission.com> wrote in message news:etmqht$cd7$1(a)news.xmission.com... > Viperkiller wrote: >> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:53:54 -0400, "Mike Hunter" >> <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote: >> >>> I guess we can assume you do not go to many bone yards. As a percentage >>> of the trucks sold in the US, there are a hell of a lot more rusted >>> Toyota trucks in the bone yards ;) >>> >>> mike >>> >> >> I'm sure that's something that you really kept track of and have proof >> of. Perhaps you read too many GM brochures. > > Why would a Toyota driver have to be a frequenter of bone yards? > > Dante
From: Dante on 20 Mar 2007 14:05 C. E. White wrote: > "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:LXRLh.5275$ya1.2331(a)news02.roc.ny... > >> I generally avoid companies who've previously sold me products that >> were intentionally made defective. I violated my rule once with >> Ford. I won't do it a second time unless they give me the product >> for free, and pay me a hefty aggravation bonus any time it had what >> I considered to be a stupid problem. $1000.00 per incident would be >> about right. > > So Toyota has never sold a defective product? How about the thousands > of prior model Tundras with bad ball joints? Or with piston slap prone > engines? > > Just a quick Google of "Toyota Tundra recall" got over 600,000 hits. > Here are a few references from just the first page of hits: > > http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/toyota_tundra_engine.html > http://ezinearticles.com/?Toyota-Tundra-Recall:-New-Trucks-Brakes-Break&id=47569 > http://www.autoblog.com/2006/08/08/toyota-facing-anothertundra-recall/ > http://www.lemonauto.com/complaints/toyota/toyota_tundra.htm > http://www.internetautoguide.com/auto-recalls/09-int/2000/toyota/tundra/index.html > http://www.autobuyguide.com/2005/12-aut/toyota/tundra/recalls/index.html > > I am not saying that this proves the Tundra is a "bad" truck. But I > don't think it is fair for people to claim Tundras have > extraordinarily high quality either. And before you ask, a Google > search for "Ford F250 Recall" got around 123,00 hits. It is hard to do > a valid comparison of the number of recalls for the two trucks because > NHTSA often mixes all Ford SD recalls together, but then reports some > only by a particular model, but I'll try (only safety recalls > counted). Information is from NHTSA: > > Toyota Tundra Recalls - > > 1999 Tundra - 1 Recall > - 70717 Vehicles, Trailer Hitches (includes > multiple years) > 2000 Tundra - 4 Recalls > - 70717 Vehicles, Trailer Hitches (includes > multiple years) > - 61944 Vehicles, Exterior Lighting (includes > multiple years / accessory lighting) > - 3593 Vehicles, Exterior Lighting (includes > multiple years / accessory lighting) > - 16472 Vehicles, Exterior Lighting > 2001 Tundra - 2 Recalls > - 61944 Vehicles, Exterior Lighting (includes > multiple years / accessory lighting) > - 3593 Vehicles, Exterior Lighting (includes > multiple years / accessory lighting) > 2002 Tundra - 3 Recalls > - 61944 Vehicles, Exterior Lighting (includes > multiple years / accessory lighting) > - 3593 Vehicles, Exterior Lighting (includes > multiple years / accessory lighting) > - 768379 Vehicles, Lower Ball Joints (includes > multiple years) > 2003 Tundra - 4 Recalls > - 61944 Vehicles, Exterior Lighting (includes > multiple years / accessory lighting) > - 3593 Vehicles, Exterior Lighting (includes > multiple years / accessory lighting) > - 768379 Vehicles, Lower Ball Joints (includes > multiple years) > - 156111 Vehicles, Air Bag Deactivation Switch > (includes multiple years) > 2004 Tundra - 7 Recalls > - 61944 Vehicles, Exterior Lighting (includes > multiple years / accessory lighting) > - 3593 Vehicles, Exterior Lighting (includes > multiple years / accessory lighting) > - 27176 Vehicles, Exterior Lighting (includes > multiple years / accessory lighting) > - 768379 Vehicles, Lower Ball Joints (includes > multiple years) > - 156111 Vehicles, Air Bag Deactivation Switch > (includes multiple years) > - 5726 Vehicle, Exhaust System (includes > multiple years, this is the problem where the exhaust melts the brake > line) > - 533124 Vehicles, Lower Ball Joints (includes > multiple years, this is a separate recall from the other ball joint > recall) > 2005 Tundra - 5 Recalls > - 27176 Vehicles, Exterior Lighting (includes > multiple years / accessory lighting) > - 156111 Vehicles, Air Bag Deactivation Switch > (includes multiple years) > - 533124 Vehicles, Lower Ball Joints (includes > multiple years, this is a separate recall from the other ball joint > recall) > - 5726 Vehicles, Exhaust System (includes > multiple years, this is the problem where the exhaust melts the brake > line) > - 2527 Vehicles, Air Bags > 2006 Tundra - 2 Recalls > - 27176 Vehicles, Exterior Lighting (includes > multiple years / accessory lighting) > - 533124 Vehicles, Lower Ball Joints (includes > multiple years, this is a separate recall from the other ball joint > recall) > > Ford F250 Recalls - > > 1999 F250 - 5 Recalls (including recall that affect all SDs) > - 61944 Vehicles, Exterior Lighting (includes > multiple years / accessory lighting) > - 58640 Vehicles, Fuel Filter (aftermarket filter, > not Ford) > - 10537 Vehicles, Vehicle Speed Control - includes > F350/F450/etc (includes multiple years) > - 3500 Vehicles, Vehicle Speed Control (cable) - > includes F350/F450/etc > - 19187 Vehicles, Vehicle Speed Control - includes > F350/F450/etc > 2000 F250 - 4 Recall (including recalls that affect all SDs) > - 61944 Vehicles, Exterior Lighting (includes > multiple years / accessory lighting) > - 8100 Vehicles, Brake Pedal - includes > F350/F450/etc > - 12850 Vehicles, Brake Light Switch - includes > F350/F450/etc > - 10537 Vehicles, Vehicle Speed Control - includes > F350/F450/etc (includes multiple years) > 2001 F250 - 2 Recalls (including recalls that affect all SDs) > - 61944 Vehicles, Exterior Lighting (includes > multiple years / accessory lighting) > - 185 Vehicles, Fuel Filler Pipe - includes > F350/F450/etc > 2002 F250 - 3 Recalls > - 27176 Vehicles, Exterior Lighting (includes > multiple years / accessory lighting) > - 14616 Vehicles, Exterior Lighting (includes > multiple years / accessory lighting) > - 1200000 Vehicles, Vehicle Speed Control - > includes F150/Expedition/F350/F450/etc (includes multiple years) > 2003 F250 - 5 Recalls > - 61944 Vehicles, Exterior Lighting (includes > multiple years / accessory lighting) > - 27176 Vehicles, Exterior Lighting (includes > multiple years / accessory lighting) > - 14616 Vehicles, Exterior Lighting (includes > multiple years / accessory lighting) > - 83687 Vehicles, Battery > - 155584 Vehicles, Vehicle Speed Control - includes > F350/F450/etc (includes multiple years) > 2004 F250 - 2 Recalls > - 61944 Vehicles, Exterior Lighting (includes > multiple years / accessory lighting) > - 180104 Vehicles, Wiring (includes multiple years) > 2005 F250 - 2 Recalls > - 450 Vehicles, Air Brakes (this is not actually > an F250 recall since they don't have air brakes) > - 180104 Vehicles, Wiring (includes multiple years) > - 78675 Vehicles, Fuel Lines > 2006 F250 - 2 Recalls > - 450 Vehicles, Air Brakes (this is not actually > an F250 recall since they don't have air brakes) > - 34296 Vehicles, Tires (not really a Ford Recall - > Continental recalled the tires) > > I think if you look over the list, I do not think you can claim that > Toyota Tundras are special when it comes to defects compared to an > F250. I was amused by how many recalls aren't really Toyota's or > Ford's "fault." What is it with all the exterior lighting recalls? Are > dealers festooning these trucks with illegal lights? > > Ed > > As if that/this means anything (Google results): Search for Ford AND truck AND recall: 1,220,000 results Search for Toyota AND truck AND recall: 814,000 results Search for Chevy AND truck AND recall: 801,000 results Search for Dodge AND truck AND recall: 790,000 results Dante
From: Dante on 20 Mar 2007 14:11 Mike Hunter wrote: > To find parts or to get them cheap, naturally. ;) > > > mike > > "Dante" <dante(a)xmission.com> wrote in message > news:etmqht$cd7$1(a)news.xmission.com... >> Viperkiller wrote: >>> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:53:54 -0400, "Mike Hunter" >>> <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I guess we can assume you do not go to many bone yards. As a percentage >>>> of the trucks sold in the US, there are a hell of a lot more rusted >>>> Toyota trucks in the bone yards ;) >>>> >>>> mike >>>> >>> I'm sure that's something that you really kept track of and have proof >>> of. Perhaps you read too many GM brochures. >> Why would a Toyota driver have to be a frequenter of bone yards? >> >> Dante > > I'm beginning to think, because it's at the end of everyone of your posts, that the little smiley face doesn't really hold the meaning that it implies. Maybe a little OCD? Dante
From: Dante on 20 Mar 2007 14:13
Mike Hunter wrote: > To find parts or to get them cheap, naturally. ;) > > > mike > > "Dante" <dante(a)xmission.com> wrote in message > news:etmqht$cd7$1(a)news.xmission.com... >> Viperkiller wrote: >>> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:53:54 -0400, "Mike Hunter" >>> <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I guess we can assume you do not go to many bone yards. As a percentage >>>> of the trucks sold in the US, there are a hell of a lot more rusted >>>> Toyota trucks in the bone yards ;) >>>> >>>> mike >>>> >>> I'm sure that's something that you really kept track of and have proof >>> of. Perhaps you read too many GM brochures. >> Why would a Toyota driver have to be a frequenter of bone yards? >> >> Dante > > I'm beginning to think, because it's at the end of everyone of your posts, that the little smiley face doesn't really hold the meaning that it implies. Maybe a little OCD? ;) Dante |