GM Dealer Challenges the Toyota Tundra's Ads... AS BULL
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From: Ed White on 16 Mar 2007 18:02 On Mar 16, 4:54 pm, "Mike Hunter" <mikehu...(a)mailcity.com> wrote: > Get real. Ford is the Silverado competition not the Tundra. Ford sells 35% > of the full-size trucks in the US. Chevy 30% and Toyota a measly 5%. The > base engine in the Tundra is a only a V6. The F150 has a six speed and a V8 > is standard as well. The Tundra is just beginning to catch up to the build > quality of what GM, Ford and Dodge have been offering in their truck for > years > > mike Mike, Actually Ford and Chevrolet also have standard V-6s in their half ton pickup trucks. When I was shopping for a pickup last year it was much easier to find a V-6 F150 than a V-6 Tundra. There was not a single V-6 Tundra on any of the local lots for me to test drive. V-6 F150 were easy to fiind. Ed
From: Pete Moss on 16 Mar 2007 19:28 In article <FI-dnSAaZM3XmWbYnZ2dnUVZ_tOmnZ2d(a)ptd.net>, "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote: > Get real. Ford is the Silverado competition not the Tundra. Ford sells 35% > of the full-size trucks in the US. Chevy 30% and Toyota a measly 5%. The > base engine in the Tundra is a only a V6. The F150 has a six speed and a V8 > is standard as well. The Tundra is just beginning to catch up to the build > quality of what GM, Ford and Dodge have been offering in their truck for > years > > > mike > > The base engine in the Silverado is a V6 as well.
From: mack on 16 Mar 2007 19:16 "Ed White" <ce.white3(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:1174068142.493211.246440(a)n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > Why do you think that? Any proof, or just wild speculation. > > Ed ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ There is no proof of course, because like anyone else, I cannot foretell the future, but based on three Toyotas and several GM and Ford products (Thank God I haven't owned a Chrysler product since 1958!) I'm just hazarding the guess that The Toys will be around long after the others go bye-bye. Speculation, but anything but wild. GM in particular makes cars that make themselves obsolete in a few years. If you really want to see a car self-destruct, get a Cadillac Catera, (the car that zigs....right into the wrecking yard.)
From: Mike Hunter on 16 Mar 2007 19:53 I guess we can assume you do not go to many bone yards. As a percentage of the trucks sold in the US, there are a hell of a lot more rusted Toyota trucks in the bone yards ;) mike "mack" <mackerel(a)dslextreme.com> wrote in message news:12vlke524uif4de(a)corp.supernews.com... > > "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message > news:45f9b22b$1(a)kcnews01... >> Borrowed off the Internet....I am just the messenger, although I agree >> that the new Tundra ads are deliberately misleading.... >> >> Lou Kaltenstein >> President >> Gene Norris Buick-GMC Trucks Inc./Norris Auto Group >> 18170 Bagley Rd >> Middleburg Hts., Ohio 44130 >> >> There has been a lot of talk about Toyota Tundra's new ads and how >> impressive they are. Here are some myths about their spots that I have >> found and that should be refuted. Also, they are offering a "IVC" type >> program on Tundra to help with sales. >> >> I would guess all of you have seen the ad where the Tundra pulls a >> trailer up a steep grade (a 'see-saw'), and then barrels down hill and >> locks the brakes up just before the end of the ramp. Many of you have >> commented on how well done the spot is visually. However, here are the >> actual facts to share with people: >> >> 1. The V.O. at the beginning of the spot says...."It's tough pushing >> 10,000 lbs up a steep grade". Myth: Toyota would like the audience to >> believe the trailer is 10,000 lbs. Fact: It's a 5,000 lb truck pulling a >> 5,000 lb trailer. A little slight of hand? You bet. >> > > It's tough pushing 10,000 lbs up a steep grade. I may not be a numbers > cruncher by trade, > but the last time I looked, 5000 lbs of truck plus 5000 lbs of trailer > equals 10,000 lbs. > Where's the deception? No 'sleight' of hand here. > > > >> 2. Then, on the way down the grade, the camera zooms in on the brakes as >> the vehicles comes to a screeching halt just prior to the end of ramp. >> Next time you see the ad....look for the 'mice type'. It indicates the >> trailer is equipped with electric brakes. Fact....the electric brakes >> stop the trailer -- not the truck. A little slight of hand? You bet. > > I guess the 'mice type' was large enough for you to read, and to note the > fact > that the trailer has electric brakes. No deception here either. >> >> 3. And why does Toyota have bigger brake pads? They need them....their >> truck is heavier. Stopping distance between our truck and theirs is >> virtually identical. And why does Toyota have a 6 speed transmission? To >> improve their fuel economy....which is still 2 mpg less than ours. > > You say "virtually" identical. What are the ACTUAL stopping distances of > the > two trucks????? > A six speed transmission is inherently more versatile than a four speed. > SO? > >> >> 4. And don't forget....their big V8 has one axle ratio -- a 4.3. Suck >> fuel much? Our trucks offer several axle options to optimize towing and >> fuel economy. >> >> Ed > > Mebbe, but the Toyota will still be driving like a new truck when the GMC > is on > its third owner, or in a boneyard. >
From: Mike Hunter on 16 Mar 2007 20:06
No so, all F150s with the trailer tow package have the 4.5 V8 standard. mike "Ed White" <ce.white3(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:1174082548.226233.187370(a)l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 16, 4:54 pm, "Mike Hunter" <mikehu...(a)mailcity.com> wrote: >> Get real. Ford is the Silverado competition not the Tundra. Ford sells >> 35% >> of the full-size trucks in the US. Chevy 30% and Toyota a measly 5%. >> The >> base engine in the Tundra is a only a V6. The F150 has a six speed and a >> V8 >> is standard as well. The Tundra is just beginning to catch up to the >> build >> quality of what GM, Ford and Dodge have been offering in their truck for >> years >> >> mike > > Mike, > > Actually Ford and Chevrolet also have standard V-6s in their half ton > pickup trucks. When I was shopping for a pickup last year it was much > easier to find a V-6 F150 than a V-6 Tundra. There was not a single > V-6 Tundra on any of the local lots for me to test drive. V-6 F150 > were easy to fiind. > > Ed > |