From: Dante on
Viperkiller wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:53:54 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote:
>
>> I guess we can assume you do not go to many bone yards. As a percentage of
>> the trucks sold in the US, there are a hell of a lot more rusted Toyota
>> trucks in the bone yards ;)
>>
>> mike
>>
>
> I'm sure that's something that you really kept track of and have proof
> of. Perhaps you read too many GM brochures.

Why would a Toyota driver have to be a frequenter of bone yards?

Dante
From: Wickeddoll� on

"Dante" ...
> Viperkiller wrote:
, "Mike Hunter"
>>
>>> I guess we can assume you do not go to many bone yards. As a percentage
>>> of the trucks sold in the US, there are a hell of a lot more rusted
>>> Toyota trucks in the bone yards ;)
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>>
>> I'm sure that's something that you really kept track of and have proof
>> of. Perhaps you read too many GM brochures.
>
> Why would a Toyota driver have to be a frequenter of bone yards?
>
> Dante

*high-five*

Natalie


From: Dante on
Wickeddoll� wrote:
> "Dante" ...
>> Viperkiller wrote:
> , "Mike Hunter"
>>>> I guess we can assume you do not go to many bone yards. As a percentage
>>>> of the trucks sold in the US, there are a hell of a lot more rusted
>>>> Toyota trucks in the bone yards ;)
>>>>
>>>> mike
>>>>
>>> I'm sure that's something that you really kept track of and have proof
>>> of. Perhaps you read too many GM brochures.
>> Why would a Toyota driver have to be a frequenter of bone yards?
>>
>> Dante
>
> *high-five*
>
> Natalie
>
>
Thx
From: Mike Hunter on
Aparently have not been following the thread. The dicsssion was about
Tundra phony TV ads and their 10,000 towing ability. . If one is looking to
buy a truck with which to tow they can not buy a Ford equipped to tow pack
that does not have a V8. You are corect the six speed, is a late option,
not currantaly available



mike

Ford dealer Guide Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight (Lbs.) - Automatic
Transmission

Engine Axle Ratio GCWR (Lbs.) 126 -
inch wheel base 144.5 - inch wheel base
4.2L SEFI V6 3.55 10000 5200 5100
(trailer tow package requires 4.6L V8)
4.6L Triton� SEFI V8 3.55 11500 6600 - 6200
5.4L Triton� 3-valve SEFI V8 3.55 13000 8000 - 7700

(All Ford trucks since the late eignties have required an automatic tranny
if the TT option was added).

Trailer tow package

Includes Class IV trailer hitch receiver, 7-pin wiring harness, upgraded
radiator and upgraded auxiliary transmission oil cooler (requires 4.6L or
5.4L Triton� V8); aux. trans. oil cooler only with 4.2L V6 A/T

"


mike


Ed White" <ce.white3(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174329908.928225.96650(a)d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 16, 8:06 pm, "Mike Hunter" <mikehu...(a)mailcity.com> wrote:
> No so, all F150s with the trailer tow package have the 4.6 V8 standard.
>
> mike

But not all F150s have the Trailer Tow Package. And no F150 come with
a 4.5 V8.

You said "The F150 has a six speed and a V8 is standard as well." This
is an incorrect statement since neither a V-8 or a six speed
transmission is standard (and the six speed transmission isn't even an
option). And your revised statement is also incorrect. Go to
www.fordvehicles.com
and build an F150. Selecting the Trailer Tow Package does not reuire
the V-8 or an automatic transmission. And finally, Ford doesn't offer
a 6 speed transmission in the 2007 F150 (they do in the 2007
Expedition).

The following information was clipped directly from the 2007 Ford F150
Ordering Guide:

------

TRAILER TOW PACKAGE (535)
Usage: Required for towing over 5,000 lbs.
Availability:
� All F-150 units
Includes:
� Class IV trailer hitch receiver
� 7-pin wiring harness
� Upgraded radiator & upgraded auxiliary transmission oil cooler [req.
4.6L V8
(99W), 5.4L 3V V8 (995) or 5.4L 3V V8 FFV(99V) engine; auxiliary
transmission oil cooler only w/4.2L V6 A/T (992/44Q)]
Optional Equipment:
� Heavy duty 72-amp battery (59H) [incl. when ordered w/both Satellite
Radio
(91S) & Rear Seat Entertainment System (915)]

------

Notice that the Trailer Tow Package is availale with all F150 Units.
Also notice that it includes an "auxiliary transmission oil cooler
only w/4.2L V6 A/T" Please admit that the trailer tow package is
available with the 4.2L V-6.

As for the Powertrain Options:

-----

POWERTRAIN
4.2L EFI V6/5-Spd. Manual O/D
4.2L EFI v6/4-Spd. Auto O/D
4.6L EFI V8/Electronic 4-Spd. Auto O/D
5.4L 3V EFI V8/Electronic 4-Spd. Auto O/D
5.4L 3V EFI V8 FFV/Electronic 4-Spd. Auto O/D

-----

Ed

> "Ed White" <ce.whi...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1174082548.226233.187370(a)l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Mar 16, 4:54 pm, "Mike Hunter" <mikehu...(a)mailcity.com> wrote:
> >> Get real. Ford is the Silverado competition not the Tundra. Ford
> >> sells
> >> 35%
> >> of the full-size trucks in the US. Chevy 30% and Toyota a measly 5%.
> >> The
> >> base engine in the Tundra is a only a V6. The F150 has a six speed and
> >> a
> >> V8
> >> is standard as well. The Tundra is just beginning to catch up to the
> >> build
> >> quality of what GM, Ford and Dodge have been offering in their truck
> >> for
> >> years
>
> >> mike
>
> > Mike,
>
> > Actually Ford and Chevrolet also have standard V-6s in their half ton
> > pickup trucks. When I was shopping for a pickup last year it was much
> > easier to find a V-6 F150 than a V-6 Tundra. There was not a single
> > V-6 Tundra on any of the local lots for me to test drive. V-6 F150
> > were easy to fiind.
>
> > Ed- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -



From: C. E. White on

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:8dudnc62HZndt2LYnZ2dnUVZ_qGjnZ2d(a)ptd.net...
> Aparently have not been following the thread. The dicsssion was about
> Tundra phony TV ads and their 10,000 towing ability. . If one is looking
> to buy a truck with which to tow they can not buy a Ford equipped to tow
> pack that does not have a V8. You are corect the six speed, is a late
> option, not currantaly available

I agree with you that the new Tundra ads are deceptive. That is not an
issue. In my post I was trying to correct all the errors you made regarding
Ford trucks. Apparently you did not bother to read my post and you reposted
more incorrect information regarding Ford trucks with the V-6.

I'll try to set you straight about the Ford one more time -

GO READ THE 2007 F150 ORDERING GUIDE - it definitely allows the Towing
Package with the V-6 and a manual transmission. And if you use the Ford
Website to build your F150, it will let you build one that way. Dealers
don't order many of them that way, but they do occasionally. I had no
trouble at all finding a manual transmission V-6 with the towing package in
a dealers stock (VIN 1FTRF12237NA36871 at Beach Ford Inc., 2717 Virginia
Beach Boulevard, Virginia Beach, VA). I had no problem finding a V-6
Automatic with the towing package either. How many VINs do you want me to
post to prove your are wrong? For a normal person finding one should be
enough to prove that you can order a V-6 Manual Transmission F150 with the
towing package, but you don't seem to be able to admit it when you are
wrong.

I also like the way you tried to cover your mistake in claiming the 2007
F150s got the six speed automatic. I assume available in the 2008 model
counts as "late availability" in your mind. Wouldn't it have been easier to
admit you were wrong about that as well?

And is the 4.5 V-8 a late availability option also?

Ed


> mike
>
> Ford dealer Guide Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight (Lbs.) - Automatic
> Transmission
>
> Engine Axle Ratio GCWR (Lbs.) 126 -
> inch wheel base 144.5 - inch wheel base
> 4.2L SEFI V6 3.55 10000 5200 5100
> (trailer tow package requires 4.6L V8)
> 4.6L Triton� SEFI V8 3.55 11500 6600 - 6200
> 5.4L Triton� 3-valve SEFI V8 3.55 13000 8000 - 7700
>
> (All Ford trucks since the late eignties have required an automatic tranny
> if the TT option was added).
>
> Trailer tow package
>
> Includes Class IV trailer hitch receiver, 7-pin wiring harness, upgraded
> radiator and upgraded auxiliary transmission oil cooler (requires 4.6L or
> 5.4L Triton� V8); aux. trans. oil cooler only with 4.2L V6 A/T
>
> "
>
>
> mike
>
>
> Ed White" <ce.white3(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1174329908.928225.96650(a)d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 16, 8:06 pm, "Mike Hunter" <mikehu...(a)mailcity.com> wrote:
>> No so, all F150s with the trailer tow package have the 4.6 V8 standard.
>>
>> mike
>
> But not all F150s have the Trailer Tow Package. And no F150 come with
> a 4.5 V8.
>
> You said "The F150 has a six speed and a V8 is standard as well." This
> is an incorrect statement since neither a V-8 or a six speed
> transmission is standard (and the six speed transmission isn't even an
> option). And your revised statement is also incorrect. Go to
> www.fordvehicles.com
> and build an F150. Selecting the Trailer Tow Package does not reuire
> the V-8 or an automatic transmission. And finally, Ford doesn't offer
> a 6 speed transmission in the 2007 F150 (they do in the 2007
> Expedition).
>
> The following information was clipped directly from the 2007 Ford F150
> Ordering Guide:
>
> ------
>
> TRAILER TOW PACKAGE (535)
> Usage: Required for towing over 5,000 lbs.
> Availability:
> � All F-150 units
> Includes:
> � Class IV trailer hitch receiver
> � 7-pin wiring harness
> � Upgraded radiator & upgraded auxiliary transmission oil cooler [req.
> 4.6L V8
> (99W), 5.4L 3V V8 (995) or 5.4L 3V V8 FFV(99V) engine; auxiliary
> transmission oil cooler only w/4.2L V6 A/T (992/44Q)]
> Optional Equipment:
> � Heavy duty 72-amp battery (59H) [incl. when ordered w/both Satellite
> Radio
> (91S) & Rear Seat Entertainment System (915)]
>
> ------
>
> Notice that the Trailer Tow Package is availale with all F150 Units.
> Also notice that it includes an "auxiliary transmission oil cooler
> only w/4.2L V6 A/T" Please admit that the trailer tow package is
> available with the 4.2L V-6.
>
> As for the Powertrain Options:
>
> -----
>
> POWERTRAIN
> 4.2L EFI V6/5-Spd. Manual O/D
> 4.2L EFI v6/4-Spd. Auto O/D
> 4.6L EFI V8/Electronic 4-Spd. Auto O/D
> 5.4L 3V EFI V8/Electronic 4-Spd. Auto O/D
> 5.4L 3V EFI V8 FFV/Electronic 4-Spd. Auto O/D
>
> -----
>
> Ed
>
>> "Ed White" <ce.whi...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1174082548.226233.187370(a)l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mar 16, 4:54 pm, "Mike Hunter" <mikehu...(a)mailcity.com> wrote:
>> >> Get real. Ford is the Silverado competition not the Tundra. Ford
>> >> sells
>> >> 35%
>> >> of the full-size trucks in the US. Chevy 30% and Toyota a measly 5%.
>> >> The
>> >> base engine in the Tundra is a only a V6. The F150 has a six speed
>> >> and a
>> >> V8
>> >> is standard as well. The Tundra is just beginning to catch up to the
>> >> build
>> >> quality of what GM, Ford and Dodge have been offering in their truck
>> >> for
>> >> years
>>
>> >> mike
>>
>> > Mike,
>>
>> > Actually Ford and Chevrolet also have standard V-6s in their half ton
>> > pickup trucks. When I was shopping for a pickup last year it was much
>> > easier to find a V-6 F150 than a V-6 Tundra. There was not a single
>> > V-6 Tundra on any of the local lots for me to test drive. V-6 F150
>> > were easy to fiind.
>>
>> > Ed- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
>