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"C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message
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> "DH" <dh(a)stargate.com> wrote in message
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>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message
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>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>> Just a quick Google of "Toyota Tundra recall" got over 600,000 hits.
>>> Here are a few references from just the first page of hits:
>>>
>> [snip]
>>> extraordinarily high quality either. And before you ask, a Google search
>>> for "Ford F250 Recall" got around 123,00 hits. It is hard to do
>> [snip]
>>>
>>> Ed
>>
>> You must have missed my lecture on the valuelessness of "Google Hits" as
>> a measure of anything.
>
> Actually I agree with this. I was just trying to make the point that there
> are lots of people who have complained about Tundras. Sometimes Toyota
> fans tend to think that all Toyotas are perfect.
>
>> Let's see, we'll do this by example:
>>
>> Google "ed white" genius => 793 hits

[snip just one line]

>>
>> Well, Ed, the Google on you is in and I'm afraid the results are not
>> good...
>
> This morning I got 802 hits for "ed white" genius. I guess I am gaining
> ground :)
>
> Ed

And snipping that one line and posting a reply should also boost the ratio.

:-)




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From: DH on
"Whitelightning" <white.lightning2(a)verizon.net> wrote in message
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> "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> The Nextel cup has nothing to do with the "real" world. Nothing in those
>> cars has anything to do with a "stock" car in any meaningful way.
>>
>> Ed
>
> Perhaps not, perhaps yes. But consider the power plant, a 358 cid cam in
> block 2 valves per cylinder , push rods, and a single 4 barrel carb
> pushing a 3400 pound car upwards of 220 mph, and toyota cant get enough
> horsepower out of their engine.
> And a lot of what goes on on the track does find its way into cars..
>
> Whitelightning

So my 2009 Impala will have a 4-barrel carb? Right.

"Back to the Future - NASCAR Style"

What goes on at some race circuits may find its way into cars but NASCAR
isn't one of those circuits.

Audi was winning in Europe last year with a DIESEL! Now, that's cool!



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From: RCE on

"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> You *were* responding to the CNC question, but you said this:
>
> "To suggest that Chrysler's vendors or component manufacturers purposely
> manufacture to specifications that are different than the engineering
> specs
> opens them up to warranty, recall and additional costs."
>
> Since it made no sense relative to what I pointed out about CNC equipment
> installed at Chrysler facilities, I ignored it. I'm talking about choices
> made by Chrysler, not by outsourcing vendors. It was explained that
> Chrysler chooses looser tolerances than a real car company.
>


Ok. Chrysler isn't a "real" car company. Learn something new everyday.

RCE


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> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> You *were* responding to the CNC question, but you said this:
>>
>> "To suggest that Chrysler's vendors or component manufacturers purposely
>> manufacture to specifications that are different than the engineering
>> specs
>> opens them up to warranty, recall and additional costs."
>>
>> Since it made no sense relative to what I pointed out about CNC equipment
>> installed at Chrysler facilities, I ignored it. I'm talking about choices
>> made by Chrysler, not by outsourcing vendors. It was explained that
>> Chrysler chooses looser tolerances than a real car company.
>>
>
>
> Ok. Chrysler isn't a "real" car company. Learn something new everyday.
>
> RCE
>

Learning is good. Glad I could help.

Clue: When it's easy to do great work and you make a conscious choice not
to, especially for lame reasons, you've lost touch with reality, and cease
to become real. This is what I've described for you via my friend's
experience with Chrysler.

You will now say that looser tolerances don't matter, but actual symptoms
say the opposite. You know that.

You're retired, aren't you?


From: RCE on

"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Learning is good. Glad I could help.
>
> Clue: When it's easy to do great work and you make a conscious choice not
> to, especially for lame reasons, you've lost touch with reality, and cease
> to become real. This is what I've described for you via my friend's
> experience with Chrysler.
>
> You will now say that looser tolerances don't matter, but actual symptoms
> say the opposite. You know that.
>
> You're retired, aren't you?
>

Pretty much, although technically I am still "employed". Which brings up a
chuckle I had when you said this:

>> Let's talk about intentional defects a bit more. Please provide your best
>> cockamamie excuse for these situations:

I chuckled because I was very fortunate to be able to retire over 5 years
ago at the ripe old age of 52. I was reasonably successful from a financial
point of view, have a decent reputation in the industry I was in and never
got sued for anything. I attribute this modest success to some of the
cockamamie ideas and standards that I tenaciously stuck to for many years.

BTW .... the BMW E60 M5 engine (V10 - 500 hp) is arguably one of the most
advanced engine designs in production from a technological point of view.
It is "sloppy" in it's tolerances and owners (me being one) typically
experience a liter of oil use every 1000 - 1500 miles. How's that for
quality?

RCE