From: JoeSpareBedroom on 20 Mar 2007 09:49 "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message news:45ffddd9$1(a)kcnews01... > > One more thing - The list price for a stripped F250 V-10 six speed > automatic is less than the price for a stripped Tundra 5.7L V-8 six speed > automatic even before the $3000 rebate on the F250 is figured in. > > Ed > Maxwell House is cheaper than edible coffee.
From: Wickeddoll� on 20 Mar 2007 09:58 "JoeSpareBedroom" ... > "C. E. White"... >> >> One more thing - The list price for a stripped F250 V-10 six speed >> automatic is less than the price for a stripped Tundra 5.7L V-8 six speed >> automatic even before the $3000 rebate on the F250 is figured in. >> >> Ed >> > > > Maxwell House is cheaper than edible coffee. > LOL. Now, come on - Ford trucks are pretty good. I'd consider one if I were in the market for a truck. Natalie
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 20 Mar 2007 10:10 "Wickeddoll�" <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:etobbj.co.1(a)news.evilcabal.org... > > "JoeSpareBedroom" ... >> "C. E. White"... >>> >>> One more thing - The list price for a stripped F250 V-10 six speed >>> automatic is less than the price for a stripped Tundra 5.7L V-8 six >>> speed automatic even before the $3000 rebate on the F250 is figured in. >>> >>> Ed >>> >> >> >> Maxwell House is cheaper than edible coffee. >> > > LOL. > > Now, come on - Ford trucks are pretty good. I'd consider one if I were in > the market for a truck. > > Natalie > I generally avoid companies who've previously sold me products that were intentionally made defective. I violated my rule once with Ford. I won't do it a second time unless they give me the product for free, and pay me a hefty aggravation bonus any time it had what I considered to be a stupid problem. $1000.00 per incident would be about right.
From: Big Al on 20 Mar 2007 10:38 "SnoMan" <admin(a)snoman.com> wrote in message news:o4hvv2hiptimfos27kv0vfuq2sjtgjqrmb(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 03:13:38 GMT, "C. E. White" > <cewhite(a)mindspring.com> wrote: > > >I agree with you that the new Tundra ads are deceptive > > > No where near as despective as some of detriots tow ratings. I am not > pro toyota here but Detriot uses no science with its ratings and Ford > inflated their max 1/2 ton ratings because of Yota but the facts are > it does not have near the power than the yota does. If you do the math > and factor is axle ratio, rated torque and RPM, and transmision > ratios, the Yota beats them all is actal drawbar or pulling power. It > takes power to move the load, not a inflated rating. Be glad there is > a Toyota because Detriot will be forced to improve their trucks > against it and consumers will get a better product in the end. Toyota > has their act together with the new Tundra with a 5.7 and a 6 speed > and they even spaced the tranny ratios properly to best apply power to > load (you can hit torque peak in the first three gears by 58 MPH in it > at 24, 41 and 58 MPH respecably vs 32 ,54 and 85 MPH for Ford, 39, 65 > and 96 MPH for GM 6.0 Vortec max and 33, 60 and 99 MPH for Dodge Hemi. > Not only does the Toyota have more usable and effective gearing to get > load moving, it also has more torque as well to apply to those gears > so it is simple physics here. The Yota has the greatest mechanical > advantage over the load via gearing and availble power so it will pull > a load better than any of them. Kinda a like comparing a small guy > with a pry bar against a big guy with a bigger pry bar try to move > something. The Yota has the bigger guy (more torque) and the longer > bar (better effective gearing) so the end result is quite predicable > before you even hitch it up to a load. The scary part is that the Yota > actaully has more true towing/pulling power to move a load than all > new gas powered 3/4 and 1 ton trucks if you do the math since GM no > longer has the 8.1 and the Hemi is no tow king. A Ford V10 would be > the only one to likley meet of exceed it. (we are talking actual > towing power that can be aplied to load not weather it is a 1/2 ton > or 3/4 ton chassis) Given the math behind the new Tndra, if they go > into the 3/4 and 1 ton market Detriot better get their act together > because if Yota can make a 1/2 ton that can pull that hard just think > of what they could do with a 3/4 ton or bigger. > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com Where did you find the gear ratios for the above trucks and do you have them for the Nissan Titan? Did you ever see a Dodge Mega Cab 1500? The 06 is a full 3/4 ton truck disguised as a 1/2 ton. Just wondering.... Al
From: Big Al on 20 Mar 2007 10:44
"Big Al" <sal1(a)qwest.net> wrote in message news:45ffefa3$0$492$815e3792(a)news.qwest.net... > > "SnoMan" <admin(a)snoman.com> wrote in message > news:o4hvv2hiptimfos27kv0vfuq2sjtgjqrmb(a)4ax.com... > > On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 03:13:38 GMT, "C. E. White" > > <cewhite(a)mindspring.com> wrote: > > > > >I agree with you that the new Tundra ads are deceptive > > > > > > No where near as despective as some of detriots tow ratings. I am not > > pro toyota here but Detriot uses no science with its ratings and Ford > > inflated their max 1/2 ton ratings because of Yota but the facts are > > it does not have near the power than the yota does. If you do the math > > and factor is axle ratio, rated torque and RPM, and transmision > > ratios, the Yota beats them all is actal drawbar or pulling power. It > > takes power to move the load, not a inflated rating. Be glad there is > > a Toyota because Detriot will be forced to improve their trucks > > against it and consumers will get a better product in the end. Toyota > > has their act together with the new Tundra with a 5.7 and a 6 speed > > and they even spaced the tranny ratios properly to best apply power to > > load (you can hit torque peak in the first three gears by 58 MPH in it > > at 24, 41 and 58 MPH respecably vs 32 ,54 and 85 MPH for Ford, 39, 65 > > and 96 MPH for GM 6.0 Vortec max and 33, 60 and 99 MPH for Dodge Hemi. > > Not only does the Toyota have more usable and effective gearing to get > > load moving, it also has more torque as well to apply to those gears > > so it is simple physics here. The Yota has the greatest mechanical > > advantage over the load via gearing and availble power so it will pull > > a load better than any of them. Kinda a like comparing a small guy > > with a pry bar against a big guy with a bigger pry bar try to move > > something. The Yota has the bigger guy (more torque) and the longer > > bar (better effective gearing) so the end result is quite predicable > > before you even hitch it up to a load. The scary part is that the Yota > > actaully has more true towing/pulling power to move a load than all > > new gas powered 3/4 and 1 ton trucks if you do the math since GM no > > longer has the 8.1 and the Hemi is no tow king. A Ford V10 would be > > the only one to likley meet of exceed it. (we are talking actual > > towing power that can be aplied to load not weather it is a 1/2 ton > > or 3/4 ton chassis) Given the math behind the new Tndra, if they go > > into the 3/4 and 1 ton market Detriot better get their act together > > because if Yota can make a 1/2 ton that can pull that hard just think > > of what they could do with a 3/4 ton or bigger. > > ----------------- > > TheSnoMan.com > > Where did you find the gear ratios for the above trucks and do you have them > for the Nissan Titan? Did you ever see a Dodge Mega Cab 1500? The 06 is a > full 3/4 ton truck disguised as a 1/2 ton. > > Just wondering.... > > Al > BTW: GMC is still showing the 8.1 as an option?? Al |