From: JoeSpareBedroom on
"C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message
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>
> One more thing - The list price for a stripped F250 V-10 six speed
> automatic is less than the price for a stripped Tundra 5.7L V-8 six speed
> automatic even before the $3000 rebate on the F250 is figured in.
>
> Ed
>


Maxwell House is cheaper than edible coffee.


From: Wickeddoll´┐Ż on

"JoeSpareBedroom" ...
> "C. E. White"...
>>
>> One more thing - The list price for a stripped F250 V-10 six speed
>> automatic is less than the price for a stripped Tundra 5.7L V-8 six speed
>> automatic even before the $3000 rebate on the F250 is figured in.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>
>
> Maxwell House is cheaper than edible coffee.
>

LOL.

Now, come on - Ford trucks are pretty good. I'd consider one if I were in
the market for a truck.

Natalie


From: JoeSpareBedroom on
"Wickeddoll´┐Ż" <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" ...
>> "C. E. White"...
>>>
>>> One more thing - The list price for a stripped F250 V-10 six speed
>>> automatic is less than the price for a stripped Tundra 5.7L V-8 six
>>> speed automatic even before the $3000 rebate on the F250 is figured in.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>
>>
>> Maxwell House is cheaper than edible coffee.
>>
>
> LOL.
>
> Now, come on - Ford trucks are pretty good. I'd consider one if I were in
> the market for a truck.
>
> Natalie
>


I generally avoid companies who've previously sold me products that were
intentionally made defective. I violated my rule once with Ford. I won't do
it a second time unless they give me the product for free, and pay me a
hefty aggravation bonus any time it had what I considered to be a stupid
problem. $1000.00 per incident would be about right.


From: Big Al on

"SnoMan" <admin(a)snoman.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 03:13:38 GMT, "C. E. White"
> <cewhite(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >I agree with you that the new Tundra ads are deceptive
>
>
> No where near as despective as some of detriots tow ratings. I am not
> pro toyota here but Detriot uses no science with its ratings and Ford
> inflated their max 1/2 ton ratings because of Yota but the facts are
> it does not have near the power than the yota does. If you do the math
> and factor is axle ratio, rated torque and RPM, and transmision
> ratios, the Yota beats them all is actal drawbar or pulling power. It
> takes power to move the load, not a inflated rating. Be glad there is
> a Toyota because Detriot will be forced to improve their trucks
> against it and consumers will get a better product in the end. Toyota
> has their act together with the new Tundra with a 5.7 and a 6 speed
> and they even spaced the tranny ratios properly to best apply power to
> load (you can hit torque peak in the first three gears by 58 MPH in it
> at 24, 41 and 58 MPH respecably vs 32 ,54 and 85 MPH for Ford, 39, 65
> and 96 MPH for GM 6.0 Vortec max and 33, 60 and 99 MPH for Dodge Hemi.
> Not only does the Toyota have more usable and effective gearing to get
> load moving, it also has more torque as well to apply to those gears
> so it is simple physics here. The Yota has the greatest mechanical
> advantage over the load via gearing and availble power so it will pull
> a load better than any of them. Kinda a like comparing a small guy
> with a pry bar against a big guy with a bigger pry bar try to move
> something. The Yota has the bigger guy (more torque) and the longer
> bar (better effective gearing) so the end result is quite predicable
> before you even hitch it up to a load. The scary part is that the Yota
> actaully has more true towing/pulling power to move a load than all
> new gas powered 3/4 and 1 ton trucks if you do the math since GM no
> longer has the 8.1 and the Hemi is no tow king. A Ford V10 would be
> the only one to likley meet of exceed it. (we are talking actual
> towing power that can be aplied to load not weather it is a 1/2 ton
> or 3/4 ton chassis) Given the math behind the new Tndra, if they go
> into the 3/4 and 1 ton market Detriot better get their act together
> because if Yota can make a 1/2 ton that can pull that hard just think
> of what they could do with a 3/4 ton or bigger.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com

Where did you find the gear ratios for the above trucks and do you have them
for the Nissan Titan? Did you ever see a Dodge Mega Cab 1500? The 06 is a
full 3/4 ton truck disguised as a 1/2 ton.

Just wondering....

Al


From: Big Al on

"Big Al" <sal1(a)qwest.net> wrote in message
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>
> "SnoMan" <admin(a)snoman.com> wrote in message
> news:o4hvv2hiptimfos27kv0vfuq2sjtgjqrmb(a)4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 03:13:38 GMT, "C. E. White"
> > <cewhite(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> > >I agree with you that the new Tundra ads are deceptive
> >
> >
> > No where near as despective as some of detriots tow ratings. I am not
> > pro toyota here but Detriot uses no science with its ratings and Ford
> > inflated their max 1/2 ton ratings because of Yota but the facts are
> > it does not have near the power than the yota does. If you do the math
> > and factor is axle ratio, rated torque and RPM, and transmision
> > ratios, the Yota beats them all is actal drawbar or pulling power. It
> > takes power to move the load, not a inflated rating. Be glad there is
> > a Toyota because Detriot will be forced to improve their trucks
> > against it and consumers will get a better product in the end. Toyota
> > has their act together with the new Tundra with a 5.7 and a 6 speed
> > and they even spaced the tranny ratios properly to best apply power to
> > load (you can hit torque peak in the first three gears by 58 MPH in it
> > at 24, 41 and 58 MPH respecably vs 32 ,54 and 85 MPH for Ford, 39, 65
> > and 96 MPH for GM 6.0 Vortec max and 33, 60 and 99 MPH for Dodge Hemi.
> > Not only does the Toyota have more usable and effective gearing to get
> > load moving, it also has more torque as well to apply to those gears
> > so it is simple physics here. The Yota has the greatest mechanical
> > advantage over the load via gearing and availble power so it will pull
> > a load better than any of them. Kinda a like comparing a small guy
> > with a pry bar against a big guy with a bigger pry bar try to move
> > something. The Yota has the bigger guy (more torque) and the longer
> > bar (better effective gearing) so the end result is quite predicable
> > before you even hitch it up to a load. The scary part is that the Yota
> > actaully has more true towing/pulling power to move a load than all
> > new gas powered 3/4 and 1 ton trucks if you do the math since GM no
> > longer has the 8.1 and the Hemi is no tow king. A Ford V10 would be
> > the only one to likley meet of exceed it. (we are talking actual
> > towing power that can be aplied to load not weather it is a 1/2 ton
> > or 3/4 ton chassis) Given the math behind the new Tndra, if they go
> > into the 3/4 and 1 ton market Detriot better get their act together
> > because if Yota can make a 1/2 ton that can pull that hard just think
> > of what they could do with a 3/4 ton or bigger.
> > -----------------
> > TheSnoMan.com
>
> Where did you find the gear ratios for the above trucks and do you have
them
> for the Nissan Titan? Did you ever see a Dodge Mega Cab 1500? The 06 is a
> full 3/4 ton truck disguised as a 1/2 ton.
>
> Just wondering....
>
> Al
>
BTW: GMC is still showing the 8.1 as an option??

Al