From: Jeff on

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> What I was referring to was what one get for the price. Do some
> comparison shopping and you will discover a base V6 Tundra costs one MORE
> to drive home than a base V8 from either GM, Ford or Dodge and they are
> better trucks
>
> mike
>
> .
> "Pete Moss" <spraghnum(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:spraghnum-3D461C.23490016032007(a)news.iglou.com...
>> In article <F42dnXMNiPllrGbYnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d(a)ptd.net>,
>
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Duh! The Tundra in the commercial pulling the 10,000 LB was not a base
>>> model with a six speed tranny
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>>>
>>> >>
>>> > The base engine in the Silverado is a V6 as well.
>>
>> I'm sure none of the Chevys in commercials have the V6 either. Your
>> saying that the Tundra has a base V6 was a meaningless point.

You forgot to say, "I my opinion."

From: Ed White on
On Mar 16, 7:16 pm, "mack" <macke...(a)dslextreme.com> wrote:
> "Ed White" <ce.whi...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1174068142.493211.246440(a)n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...> Why do you think that? Any proof, or just wild speculation.
>
> > Ed
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> There is no proof of course, because like anyone else, I cannot foretell the
> future, but based on three Toyotas and several GM and Ford products (Thank
> God I haven't owned a Chrysler product since 1958!) I'm just hazarding the
> guess that The Toys will be around long after the others go bye-bye.
> Speculation, but anything but wild. GM in particular makes cars that make
> themselves obsolete in a few years. If you really want to see a car
> self-destruct, get a Cadillac Catera, (the car that zigs....right into the
> wrecking yard.)

I know of at least one Catera that is not in the junk yard - my next
door neighboor has one. And compared to some of the tired looking
Toyotas in the lot, it looks great. And at least it doesn't cloud over
the parking lot with a blue cloud like one of my other neighbor's
Camry does.

Making generalitions about any particular brand of car based on
limited experience can be dangerous. I am sure there are plenty of
good looking and running Cateras on the highways. And I am sure there
are plenty in the junk yard as well (and I am sure there are plenty of
Camrys in the junk yards as well). Cateras were never particualrly
popular and I suspect a lot of the second hand ones didn't end up in
the hands of people that really care about cars.

Ed

From: JoeSpareBedroom on
"Ed White" <ce.white3(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 16, 7:16 pm, "mack" <macke...(a)dslextreme.com> wrote:
>> "Ed White" <ce.whi...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1174068142.493211.246440(a)n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...> Why do you
>> think that? Any proof, or just wild speculation.
>>
>> > Ed
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> There is no proof of course, because like anyone else, I cannot foretell
>> the
>> future, but based on three Toyotas and several GM and Ford products
>> (Thank
>> God I haven't owned a Chrysler product since 1958!) I'm just hazarding
>> the
>> guess that The Toys will be around long after the others go bye-bye.
>> Speculation, but anything but wild. GM in particular makes cars that
>> make
>> themselves obsolete in a few years. If you really want to see a car
>> self-destruct, get a Cadillac Catera, (the car that zigs....right into
>> the
>> wrecking yard.)
>
> I know of at least one Catera that is not in the junk yard - my next
> door neighboor has one. And compared to some of the tired looking
> Toyotas in the lot, it looks great. And at least it doesn't cloud over
> the parking lot with a blue cloud like one of my other neighbor's
> Camry does.


I've owned a total of 4 Toyotas. In all 4 instances, the cars *never* needed
oil added between changes. I can assure you that your neighbor's blue cloud
problem is due to shoddy maintenance, not bad workmanship.


From: Ed White on
On Mar 16, 8:06 pm, "Mike Hunter" <mikehu...(a)mailcity.com> wrote:
> No so, all F150s with the trailer tow package have the 4.5 V8 standard.
>
> mike

But not all F150s have the Trailer Tow Package. And no F150 come with
a 4.5 V8.

You said "The F150 has a six speed and a V8 is standard as well." This
is an incorrect statement since neither a V-8 or a six speed
transmission is standard (and the six speed transmission isn't even an
option). And your revised statement is also incorrect. Go to www.fordvehicles.com
and build an F150. Selecting the Trailer Tow Package does not reuire
the V-8 or an automatic transmission. And finally, Ford doesn't offer
a 6 speed transmission in the 2007 F150 (they do in the 2007
Expedition).

The following information was clipped directly from the 2007 Ford F150
Ordering Guide:

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TRAILER TOW PACKAGE (535)
Usage: Required for towing over 5,000 lbs.
Availability:
· All F-150 units
Includes:
· Class IV trailer hitch receiver
· 7-pin wiring harness
· Upgraded radiator & upgraded auxiliary transmission oil cooler [req.
4.6L V8
(99W), 5.4L 3V V8 (995) or 5.4L 3V V8 FFV(99V) engine; auxiliary
transmission oil cooler only w/4.2L V6 A/T (992/44Q)]
Optional Equipment:
· Heavy duty 72-amp battery (59H) [incl. when ordered w/both Satellite
Radio
(91S) & Rear Seat Entertainment System (915)]

------

Notice that the Trailer Tow Package is availale with all F150 Units.
Also notice that it includes an "auxiliary transmission oil cooler
only w/4.2L V6 A/T" Please admit that the trailer tow package is
available with the 4.2L V-6.

As for the Powertrain Options:

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POWERTRAIN
4.2L EFI V6/5-Spd. Manual O/D
4.2L EFI v6/4-Spd. Auto O/D
4.6L EFI V8/Electronic 4-Spd. Auto O/D
5.4L 3V EFI V8/Electronic 4-Spd. Auto O/D
5.4L 3V EFI V8 FFV/Electronic 4-Spd. Auto O/D

-----

Ed

> "Ed White" <ce.whi...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1174082548.226233.187370(a)l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Mar 16, 4:54 pm, "Mike Hunter" <mikehu...(a)mailcity.com> wrote:
> >> Get real. Ford is the Silverado competition not the Tundra. Ford sells
> >> 35%
> >> of the full-size trucks in the US. Chevy 30% and Toyota a measly 5%.
> >> The
> >> base engine in the Tundra is a only a V6. The F150 has a six speed and a
> >> V8
> >> is standard as well. The Tundra is just beginning to catch up to the
> >> build
> >> quality of what GM, Ford and Dodge have been offering in their truck for
> >> years
>
> >> mike
>
> > Mike,
>
> > Actually Ford and Chevrolet also have standard V-6s in their half ton
> > pickup trucks. When I was shopping for a pickup last year it was much
> > easier to find a V-6 F150 than a V-6 Tundra. There was not a single
> > V-6 Tundra on any of the local lots for me to test drive. V-6 F150
> > were easy to fiind.
>
> > Ed- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


From: Ed White on
On Mar 17, 12:49 am, Pete Moss <spragh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

> Duh, yourself. You're the one who made the spurious comment about the
> Tundra having a V6 as the base engine. Everybody's full-size truck has a
> V6 as the base engine on paper so they can say they offer it as a fuel
> efficient option. How many of them actually show up on car lots?

Crossroads Ford in Cary NC claims to have 14 2007 F150s with V-6s in
their inventory
Capital Ford in Raleigh NC claims to have 24 2007 F150s with V-6s in
their inventory

Ed