GM Dealer Challenges the Toyota Tundra's Ads... AS BULL
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From: Mike Hunter on 21 Mar 2007 13:48 Toyota buyer do not understand trucks. Look at the hugh differance in the RPMs at which the HP and torque is acheved. That is why the Ford will drag the Tundra backward all over the lot in a Tug of War Tundra - 5.7L V-8 - 381 hp @ 5600 rpm 401 lb.-ft. @ 3600 rpm F250 - 6.8L V-10 - 362 hp @ 4750 rpm 457 lb. -ft @ 3250 rpm mike "DH" <dh(a)stargate.com> wrote in message news:46012006$0$16390$88260bb3(a)free.teranews.com... > "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message > news:45ffd8c4(a)kcnews01... >> If I wanted to tow a heavy load, I would go for an F250/F350. They also >> have a six speed transmission. Ford/GM/Dodge all have 3/4 and 1 ton >> trucks >> for people that actually need to tow 10,000 lbs. Toyota is not trying to >> create that distinction i.e., they don't have a separate Tundra HD model >> to compete with the F350/350 or Silverado HD. If you want to compare the >> Tundra to other trucks capable of towing heavy loads, then I contend you >> must compare it to the heavy duty pick-ups from Ford, GM, and Dodge. >> And if you want to limit your discussion to big "gas" engines, then here >> are the engine comparisons: >> >> Tundra - 5.7L V-8 - 381 hp @ 5600 rpm 401 lb.-ft. @ 3600 rpm >> F250 - 6.8L V-10 - 362 hp @ 4750 rpm 457 lb. -ft @ 3250 rpm >> Silverado HD2500 6.0L V-8 - 367 hp @ 5500 rpm 375 lb. - ft @ 4300 rpm >> Dodge 2500 - 345 hp @ 5400 rpm 375 lb. - ft @ 4200 rpm >> >> For towing I would contend that torque is more important that >> horsepower -especially horsepower at 5600 rpm. Which engine would you >> rather have to tow a heavy load? The one with 401 lb.-ft of torque at >> 3600 >> rpm, or the one with 457 lb.- ft of torque at 3250 rpm? F250s also have a >> six speed automatic transmission and offer a variety of rear gear ratios? >> So if you wanted to tow a heavy load, which truck would be the better >> choice?
From: DH on 21 Mar 2007 14:23 "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message news:45ffddd9$1(a)kcnews01... > One more thing - The list price for a stripped F250 V-10 six speed > automatic is less than the price for a stripped Tundra 5.7L V-8 six speed > automatic even before the $3000 rebate on the F250 is figured in. > > Ed Y'know... I looked up F250 pricing on Edmunds and I was astonished to find that the V10 option was a mere $600. I suppose I should presume that Ford knows what they're doing with option pricing but that seems awfully low. I can't help but think that they could make an extra $400 (or more profit) by marking up that V10 option a bit. I would expect someone looking at the fuel economy of a V10 can't be anywhere near as much price-sensitive as they are determined to get a LOT of power. Do you think they're leaving money on the table or do you think that most V10 purchases are simply... "well, as long as you have one in stock and it's only a few hundred more..."? -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
From: DH on 21 Mar 2007 14:08 "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message news:xLSdnVQE2pOT7ZzbnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d(a)ptd.net... > Toyota buyer do not understand trucks. Look at the hugh differance in the > RPMs at which the HP and torque is acheved. That is why the Ford will > drag the Tundra backward all over the lot in a Tug of War > > Tundra - 5.7L V-8 - 381 hp @ 5600 rpm 401 lb.-ft. @ 3600 rpm > F250 - 6.8L V-10 - 362 hp @ 4750 rpm 457 lb. -ft @ 3250 rpm > > mike I'd like to know what you think you're commenting on... [quote] I see that Toyota has more torque and more horsepower than the GM and Dodge 3/4 ton pickups, outclassed only by a Ford V-10. And probably that giant Navistar diesel engine, which is a $6K option. [end quote] Or do you think that "Ford" is sometimes spelled "GM" or "Dodge?" However, as long as you're at it... > Look at the hugh differance in the RPMs at which the HP and torque is > acheved." Yes, let's. Oooh... Looks like Toyota has a major advantage in lower-end torque over the GM and Dodge products. >> Tundra - 5.7L V-8 - 381 hp @ 5600 rpm 401 lb.-ft. @ 3600 rpm >> F250 - 6.8L V-10 - 362 hp @ 4750 rpm 457 lb. -ft @ 3250 rpm >> Silverado HD2500 6.0L V-8 - 367 hp @ 5500 rpm 375 lb. - ft @ 4300 rpm >> Dodge 2500 - 345 hp @ 5400 rpm 375 lb. - ft @ 4200 rpm Thanks for pointing it out. Bill Ford and Alan Mullaly should be thankful that Toyota hasn't introduced a V-10. ....yet. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
From: Mike Hunter on 21 Mar 2007 14:30 It is necessary to repeat well known facts, since some folks in the NGs are slow learners and uninformed. They like to think Toyota has all the best sellers, when actually only the Camry is a best seller. ;) mike "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4aeMh.5215$B25.4777(a)news01.roc.ny... > You might want to talk to your doctor about the frequency with which you > repeat yourself. Seriously. > > > > "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message > news:WqqdnR8jSsJA8JzbnZ2dnUVZ_rSjnZ2d(a)ptd.net... >> You are correct, people in the US know the best place to spend their hard >> earned money. That is why the F150 has been the best selling truck and >> the best selling vehicle, as well, for thirty years Ford sells more F >> series trucks alone than Toyota sell trucks and cars combined ;) >> >> mike >>
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 21 Mar 2007 14:51
Isn't there anyone in the house to explain "embarrassing" to you? "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message news:yLadnR7d6b1s5JzbnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d(a)ptd.net... > It is necessary to repeat well known facts, since some folks in the NGs > are slow learners and uninformed. They like to think Toyota has all the > best sellers, when actually only the Camry is a best seller. ;) > > > mike > > > "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:4aeMh.5215$B25.4777(a)news01.roc.ny... >> You might want to talk to your doctor about the frequency with which you >> repeat yourself. Seriously. >> >> >> >> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message >> news:WqqdnR8jSsJA8JzbnZ2dnUVZ_rSjnZ2d(a)ptd.net... >>> You are correct, people in the US know the best place to spend their >>> hard earned money. That is why the F150 has been the best selling truck >>> and the best selling vehicle, as well, for thirty years Ford sells >>> more F series trucks alone than Toyota sell trucks and cars combined >>> ;) >>> >>> mike >>> > > |