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From: Scott Dorsey on 27 Nov 2008 11:10 Mark A <someone(a)someone.com> wrote: >"HLS" <nospam(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message >news:YMxXk.8105$x%.1349(a)nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com... >> A statistical analysis of actual data would come close to proof.. I havent >> seen >> anything approaching it. > >The only argument for not using synthetic is that it costs more (not very >much, maybe about $15 more per oil change). Now people want me to conduct an >"independent test using statistical analysis of actual data" and other such >measures to guarantee that synthetic oil is actually beneficial. How much >will that cost? Nobody seems to care about wasting money on such studies or >proof. The thing is, the cost argument is a very good argument. I change my oil every 3,000 miles, which works out to a little bit more often than once a month. This adds up to a substantial cost in the end. >I was always skeptical of synthetic oil, but when I switched from >conventional oil after my first oil change on my 98 Camry V6 XLE, I noticed >a difference right away in how much easier the engine revved with my foot on >the gas peddle. Please don't tell me it had anything to do with the engine >being new, I noticed the difference immediately after the switch to >synthetic. I'm not sure why you should expect such a difference, but if it makes you feel better, that's fine. >There are a bunch of other reasons why someone would want to use synthetic, >such as the sludge problems reported on many Toyota V6 engines of that era. >All race cars use synthetic oil. Many high end cars use them as factory fill >(not just cars with exotic engines) and there have been studies that show >that synthetic oil does reduce engine wear, although maybe not much on used >NY taxis. Most engine wear occurs when the engine is not yet at operating >temperature, which doesn't apply to NY taxis that are always warm relative >to the miles they drive. Like many people, about half the trips I take are >short distances when the engine is not fully warmed up. The sludge problems on those Toyota V6es can be prevented with synthetic oils, it's true. But they can also be prevented by religiously done conventional oil changes every 3,000 miles. >All of these reasons, in conjunction with my own observations of improved >engine performance and very slightly better gas mileage (1%), are good >enough for me. I am convinced of the benefits. I'm not. I use the synthetic oils anyway, because I figure that the cost of an engine is so high that the added few hundred dollars a year is worth it to me, and because I tend to drive cars until they have several hundred thousand miles on them. I'm not sure it really makes any difference in any of the engines I use, and if I happen to get a really good deal on conventional oil, I'll use it for a few weeks until the next change and I certainly don't see any short-term difference in doing so. >But just in case I am totally and completely wrong, and have completely >deluded myself in this matter, I am only out $30 per year (even if you don't >count gas mileage savings). I loose that much every minute in my 401K. If I >am right, then I probably have at least broken even and may have saved >myself thousands of dollars. Others can do what they like. That's basically how I feel, although frankly I wish I were paying only $30 a year for oil. Hell, I pay more than $30 a year in gear oil for the transmission and differential which get done about annually. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
From: SMS on 27 Nov 2008 11:23 Ashton Crusher wrote: > It stuck to regular oil changes didn't it? The benefits I look to get > from synthetics are 10,000 mile/1 year change intervals. Any decent > dino oil can do 6000/6 months. It's not a criticism of their test. Most any oil can do 10,000 mile in terms of providing lubrication. Synthetics become acidic, and eventually become saturated with suspended soot particles, just like regular oil. An oil analysis is a good investment to determine the optimum oil change interval. The synthetic base stock is better for low temperature start-ups, and high-temperature continued operation, such as is seen in high performance and turbo-charged engines.
From: SMS on 27 Nov 2008 11:25 Mark A wrote: > "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message > news:3JoXk.6347$W06.1612(a)flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... >> That's why I'm asking where you got that idea into your head, since >> there's no evidence to support such a claim. Surely you haven't been >> listening to the Amsoil dealers! > > No, I don't use Amsoil and never would. My recommendation of synthetic oil > is based on using it for 10 years and using conventional oil for 30 years. I see. So what you're saying is that you have nothing to support your recommendation.
From: "WindsorFox [SS]>" on 27 Nov 2008 13:02 SMS wrote: > Mark A wrote: >> "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message >> news:MEjXk.9759$ZP4.6925(a)nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com... >>> Where on earth did you get the idea that using conventional oil will >>> require people to purchase new cars more often? >> >> Since you don't use synthetic oil, how would you know? > > That's why I'm asking where you got that idea into your head, since > there's no evidence to support such a claim. Surely you haven't been > listening to the Amsoil dealers! So the truth begins to emerge, your problem is not synthetic oil or lack of documentation but Amsoil dealers and MLM type marketing. -- "Boy, I've spent my adult life dealing with people like you. There are few things that intimidate me; and a post-adolescent, semi-literate cretin ain't one of them." - LSP972
From: "WindsorFox [SS]>" on 27 Nov 2008 13:09
SMS wrote: > Mark A wrote: >> "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message >> news:3JoXk.6347$W06.1612(a)flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... >>> That's why I'm asking where you got that idea into your head, since >>> there's no evidence to support such a claim. Surely you haven't been >>> listening to the Amsoil dealers! >> >> No, I don't use Amsoil and never would. My recommendation of synthetic >> oil is based on using it for 10 years and using conventional oil for >> 30 years. > > I see. So what you're saying is that you have nothing to support your > recommendation. And your reading comprehension, at least on this particular post; was very poor. He distinctly said he used synthetic oil for ten years, but not Amsoil. personally I've used Syntec, Royal Purple and Amsoil and would NOT recommend Syntec under any circumstances. -- "Boy, I've spent my adult life dealing with people like you. There are few things that intimidate me; and a post-adolescent, semi-literate cretin ain't one of them." - LSP972 |