From: Ray O on 27 Nov 2008 15:47
"Mark A" <someone(a)someone.com> wrote in message
>Most engine wear occurs when the engine is not yet at operating
>temperature, which doesn't apply to NY taxis that are always warm relative
>to the miles they drive. Like many people, about half the trips I take are
>short distances when the engine is not fully warmed up.
Most engine wear occurs when the engine is started after a cold soak and the
oil had drained down to the oil pan. When the engine is first turned over,
the only lubrication present is the oil film remaining on friction surfaces
until the oil pump starts circulating oil.
> BTW, Ray O uses synthetic oil in all three of cars, but he doesn't like to
> talk about that because synthetic is not specified by Toyota or Lexus for
> his vehicles.
I use synthetic oil in 2 out of 4 cars. Obviously, I don't have anything
against synthetic oil since I use it myself. The part I disagree on is that
using synthetic saves money when following the factory recommended oil
> $30 per year? That is one meal, a couple of drinks, tip and tax at a
> restaurant. People need to get some perspective in their lives.
Be grateful you don't have to feed my family of big eaters!
(correct punctuation to reply)
From: Brent on 28 Nov 2008 00:42
On 2008-11-27, Mark A <someone(a)someone.com> wrote:
> But just in case I am totally and completely wrong, and have completely
> deluded myself in this matter, I am only out $30 per year (even if you don't
> count gas mileage savings).
Just extending the drain interval well within the capabilities of syn.
oil will even out the cost.
From: Mark A on 28 Nov 2008 01:26
"Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote in message
> I use synthetic oil in 2 out of 4 cars. Obviously, I don't have anything
> against synthetic oil since I use it myself. The part I disagree on is
> that using synthetic saves money when following the factory recommended
> oil change intervals.
Let's face it Ray, you disagree with everything I have ever posted on this
forum, for reasons that have nothing to do with the substance of my posts.
You previously posted that you use synthetic is all 3 or your cars, but
obviously things have changed since then (number of cars has changed, and
number that you synthetic in).
No one knows for sure how much synthetic oil will save you, if any. You
could recoup some or all of the cost if you sold the car yourself, and
provided receipts that showed you always used synthetic for every oil
change. You might get 1% better gas mileage. You might avoid a repair that
would have otherwise been necessary. It is hard to say.
I have more liability insurance than the state requires (hundreds of
thousands more). Do I need that much insurance? Will I save money by having
more insurance? Probably not, but it you never know. I pay a lot more for
the extra liability insurance than I do for the synthetic oil. In fact, I
pay more money for Twinkies every year (which I definitely don't need) than
I pay for synthetic oil. According to Wikipedia, there was $61 billion USD
spent worldwide on bottled water in 2006, and people are complaining that I
am wasting $30 per year on synthetic oil?
$30 extra per year for synthetic oil is very cheap insurance IMO.
Admittedly, if you only have your car for 3 years and trade it in, or it
goes back to dealer after the lease expires, then maybe it will not pay off.
But debating about that small amount of money is ridiculous IMO.
From: "WindsorFox [SS]>" on 28 Nov 2008 03:10
> Mark A wrote:
>> "Scott Dorsey" <kludge(a)panix.com> wrote in message
>>> The thing is, the cost argument is a very good argument. I change my
>>> every 3,000 miles, which works out to a little bit more often than
>>> once a
>>> month. This adds up to a substantial cost in the end.
>> Most people don't change their oil every 3000 miles, but let's look at
>> your situation.
>> If you used synthetic oil and changed every 5000 miles, I would
>> guarantee you that your oil would be in better shape at 5000 miles
>> with synthetic than at 3000 miles with conventional.
> On what basis would you guarantee such a thing?
> There is no benefit in changing conventional oil every 3000 miles versus
> every 5000 miles, and the same holds true for synthetics.
> If you're doing extended oil change intervals, beyond the manufacturer's
> requirements, then you might extend the drain interval to at least the
> severe service interval.
"Boy, I've spent my adult life dealing with people like you.
There are few things that intimidate me; and a
post-adolescent, semi-literate cretin ain't one of them." - LSP972
From: Mark A on 28 Nov 2008 09:56
"dwight" <tfrog93(a)GEEmail.com> wrote in message
> That's too much work. It's almost time for my own annual oil change, but
> I'll just take the cars to the Grease 'n' Go and let them put in whatever
> it is that they have.
If you just get "whatever it is that they have" you may end up with recycled
oil. Make sure it is at least some brand name of oil.