Best no BS motor oil/filter comparison?
in [Toyota]
|
From: Steve W. on 24 Nov 2008 15:29 Brent P wrote: > On 2008-11-24, HLS <nospam(a)nospam.nix> wrote: >> "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message >>> I stand by my original assertion: There is not yet any reliable and >>> verifiable evidence to prove that one oil filter is better than another, >>> and, if some /are/ better, to what degree. >>> Tegger >> >> I stand with you on this point. One test is worth a thousand expert >> opinions. > > Which is why I stick with OEM oil filters. Because at least the > manufacturer tested and approved of them. > > Not really, they just send a producer the specifications and say what will you charge us for 50K of this filter. They specify the color and part number. They may test a few samples but after that they expect the supplier to stand behind the product. -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York
From: HLS on 24 Nov 2008 15:33 "Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > Which is why I stick with OEM oil filters. Because at least the > manufacturer tested and approved of them. OEM filters often come from the exact same filtermakers that are being discussed here. It is still no guarantee of anything except that you have a paper trail if you have a filter related incident.
From: Ray O on 24 Nov 2008 15:33 "Steve" <no(a)spam.thanks> wrote in message news:p_ednU2lhahflbbUnZ2dnUVZ_t3inZ2d(a)texas.net... > Brent P wrote: >> On 2008-11-24, HLS <nospam(a)nospam.nix> wrote: >>> "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message >>>> I stand by my original assertion: There is not yet any reliable and >>>> verifiable evidence to prove that one oil filter is better than >>>> another, >>>> and, if some /are/ better, to what degree. >>>> Tegger >>> >>> I stand with you on this point. One test is worth a thousand expert >>> opinions. >> >> Which is why I stick with OEM oil filters. Because at least the >> manufacturer tested and approved of them. > > At some very primitive, minimal-function level yes. But really buying OEM > means absolutely nothing at all. OEMs get more and more lax about the > replacement parts they "approve" as you get further and further from the > model year in which your car was built. Now if they still use the same > filter on cars currently in their warranty parts stream, you're better > off. But still no guarantees. OEM's do not get more and more lax about the replacement parts they "approve." The minimum criteria for acceptance or rejection of a part is established by the automaker. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: HLS on 24 Nov 2008 15:42 "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message > > Let's make that "expert" opinions (with quotes). > > Without the results of properly designed empirical testing, everybody's an > "expert", the way doctors were "experts" at infectious disease before the > discovery of microbes. > > My personal and untested opinion is that most aftermarket oil filters are > about the same quality as most aftermarket car parts, which is to say of > poor and/or questionable quality. that's why I only ever buy OEM for our > (Honda and Toyota) vehicles. I agree with the "expert", but not with the summary of aftermarket parts. Some aftermarket parts have been better than the factory or "OEM' versions. In fact, that is not too uncommon if you buy from a quality distributor and use their good quality parts...(They will usually be cheaper than OEM anyway). For example, on the GM Gen II 3800 engines, you would no replace one of the burned up plenums with an OEM if you knew what was good for you. Aftermarket had solved the problem that GM allowed to proliferate for ca 10 years. There are other examples of this.
From: Tegger on 24 Nov 2008 15:47
"HLS" <nospam(a)nospam.nix> wrote in news:UkEWk.7858$c45.1034(a)nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com: > > "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message >> >> Let's make that "expert" opinions (with quotes). >> >> Without the results of properly designed empirical testing, >> everybody's an "expert", the way doctors were "experts" at infectious >> disease before the discovery of microbes. >> >> My personal and untested opinion is that most aftermarket oil filters >> are about the same quality as most aftermarket car parts, which is >> to say of poor and/or questionable quality. that's why I only ever >> buy OEM for our (Honda and Toyota) vehicles. > > > I agree with the "expert", but not with the summary of aftermarket > parts. > > Some aftermarket parts have been better than the factory or "OEM' > versions. In fact, that is not too uncommon if you buy from a quality > distributor and use > their good quality parts...(They will usually be cheaper than OEM > anyway). > > For example, on the GM Gen II 3800 engines, you would no replace one > of the burned up plenums with an OEM if you knew what was good for > you. Aftermarket had solved the problem that GM allowed to proliferate > for ca 10 years. There are other examples of this. > > Must be a domestic thing. I'm not personally aware of any aftermarket parts for the imports that are superior to OEM, with the possible exception of radiators. -- Tegger |