Best no BS motor oil/filter comparison?
in [Toyota]
|
From: "WindsorFox [SS]>" on 24 Nov 2008 21:47 Mark A wrote: > "WindsorFox<[SS]>" <windsor.fox.usenet(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:ggemdt$v3c$1(a)posting2.glorb.com... >> Amsoil meets or surpasses API specs, yes, according to them and one type >> is API certified. There is a difference between can not and refusing to >> provide some proprietary information. > > The big lie. > > You have proof of Amsoil lying? If you do I am sure that by all means a lot of people would be interested in it. -- "Boy, I've spent my adult life dealing with people like you. There are few things that intimidate me; and a post-adolescent, semi-literate cretin ain't one of them." - LSP972
From: "WindsorFox [SS]>" on 24 Nov 2008 22:03 Tegger wrote: > "WindsorFox<[SS]>" <windsor.fox.usenet(a)gmail.com> wrote in > news:ggelbq$v0g$1(a)posting2.glorb.com: > >> Tegger wrote: >>> HiC <brassplyer(a)yahoo.com> wrote in news:8455880c-4d03-4ce4-a7eb- >>> 59162df7508a(a)w34g2000yqm.googlegroups.com: >>> >>>> I see opinions of the "I swear by" type all over the map. Anyone >>>> know of a good site that shows the truth about which brand/type of >>>> oil & filter performs the best? Thinking in the passenger car realm. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> There isn't any. Not such that I've ever been able to find online, >>> anyway. >>> >>> Those sites that pull filters apart to see what they look like inside >>> tell you absolutely nothing useful at all. >> It told me that the most expensive conventional filter (at the >> time) had pieces of cardboard glued to the edges of the filter >> media as end caps. > > > > It's not "cardboard". > > > The three that I have cut open certainly were. I may have had some other fibers in it to make it a bit tougher, but it tore like cardboard. In fact one of the three I opened the cardboard end cap had partially separated from the filter media creating a spot where unfiltered oil could easily leak through. THAT was the last Fram filter I ever bought, changed to NAPA Gold which at that time had been rated #1 by someone, I think maybe Consumer Reports. -- "Boy, I've spent my adult life dealing with people like you. There are few things that intimidate me; and a post-adolescent, semi-literate cretin ain't one of them." - LSP972
From: "WindsorFox [SS]>" on 24 Nov 2008 22:03 SMS wrote: > WindsorFox<[SS]> wrote: > >> Amsoil meets or surpasses API specs, yes, according to them and one >> type is API certified. There is a difference between can not and >> refusing to provide some proprietary information. > > No, Amsoil admitted, a long time ago, the reason why they don't have API > certification on some products. It has nothing to do with proprietary > information. They used do use the "proprietary" excuse because they > didn't want to admit the real reason, then one of their employees leaked > the real reason. > I don't think Byron Selbrede "leaked" anything since he is Amsoil's technical services manager. That would also explain complaints from the motorcycle crowd about Amsoil lowering the phosphorous content in the regular oil until the separated and made a motor cycle oil. Which has happened since that email was sent. -- "Boy, I've spent my adult life dealing with people like you. There are few things that intimidate me; and a post-adolescent, semi-literate cretin ain't one of them." - LSP972
From: "WindsorFox [SS]>" on 24 Nov 2008 22:31 Tegger wrote: > "HLS" <nospam(a)nospam.nix> wrote in > news:UkEWk.7858$c45.1034(a)nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com: > >> "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message >>> Let's make that "expert" opinions (with quotes). >>> >>> Without the results of properly designed empirical testing, >>> everybody's an "expert", the way doctors were "experts" at infectious >>> disease before the discovery of microbes. >>> >>> My personal and untested opinion is that most aftermarket oil filters >>> are about the same quality as most aftermarket car parts, which is >>> to say of poor and/or questionable quality. that's why I only ever >>> buy OEM for our (Honda and Toyota) vehicles. >> >> I agree with the "expert", but not with the summary of aftermarket >> parts. >> >> Some aftermarket parts have been better than the factory or "OEM' >> versions. In fact, that is not too uncommon if you buy from a quality >> distributor and use >> their good quality parts...(They will usually be cheaper than OEM >> anyway). >> >> For example, on the GM Gen II 3800 engines, you would no replace one >> of the burned up plenums with an OEM if you knew what was good for >> you. Aftermarket had solved the problem that GM allowed to proliferate >> for ca 10 years. There are other examples of this. >> >> > > > > Must be a domestic thing. > > I'm not personally aware of any aftermarket parts for the imports that are > superior to OEM, with the possible exception of radiators. > > You're kidding, right?? How many thousands of after market upgrades are available for a Tundra and a Titan? Just as they are for Mustangs and Firebirds.... -- "Boy, I've spent my adult life dealing with people like you. There are few things that intimidate me; and a post-adolescent, semi-literate cretin ain't one of them." - LSP972
From: Ed White on 24 Nov 2008 22:54
"WindsorFox<[SS]>" <windsor.fox.usenet(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:ggfptt$1jd$1(a)posting2.glorb.com... > The three that I have cut open certainly were. I may have had some other > fibers in it to make it a bit tougher, but it tore like cardboard. In fact > one of the three I opened the cardboard end cap had partially separated > from the filter media creating a spot where unfiltered oil could easily > leak through. THAT was the last Fram filter I ever bought, I've never actually seen a Fram end cap detached when I opened a filter, but I have easily detached them. Calling the end caps gasket material is really a stretch. It makes the material sound better than it is, even if it is exactly the same material as used in some gasket somewhere. Gaskets are supported on both sides by solid materials that compress the gasket material to create a seal. The Fram end caps are glued to paper on one side and unsupported on the other. This is a totally different application and the requirements are completely different than for paper used for actual gaskets. Calling the end cap material, "gasket material" says nothing about it suitability for use as an end cap in an oil filter. > changed to NAPA Gold which at that time had been rated #1 by someone, I > think maybe Consumer Reports. NAPA Gold = Wix. The P/Ns are even obviously related. Wix filters are good quality filter at a price comparable to Fram's cheapest filters ( the PH line). The quality of the materials used is far superior and WIX even provides actual performance information (for an example see http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlookup/PartDetail.asp?Part=51372 ). Fram just provides advertising copy for their filters that is virtually content free. Amsoil also sells Wix Filters (as Wix Filters as an additional choice to the Amsoil private label EO range that I believe comes from Donaldson). Ed |