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From: Mark A on 28 Nov 2008 16:37 "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)lycos/com> wrote in message news:bPKdnfLEJ-h30a3UnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d(a)ptd.net... >I find it strange that any engine that consumes four quarts of oil 5,000 >miles would even start LOL I don't find it strange at all. The only American car I have owned (and probably will ever own) did that.
From: Mark A on 28 Nov 2008 16:44 "Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote in message news:ggpkhu$a98$1(a)news.motzarella.org... > I would not have posted that I use synthetic in all three cars because I > do not. You can search my previous posts, and if you find where I posted > that, I will humbly admit my error in that post. We got a good deal on a > '97 Escort in the past year so we're up to four vehicles. The Escort does > not get synthetic oil. You posted that a couple of years ago back when you had 3 cars, so I remembered that part correctly. Unfortunately, I can't easily retrieve your old posts. Yeah, I wouldn't put synthetic in a 10 year old Escort either. The cost of one synthetic oil change would total the car. But if you bought a excellent condition 98 Camry V6 XLE like my car, continuing to use synthetic oil (as has been done from the first oil change) would be a wise choice.
From: Ray O on 29 Nov 2008 02:39 "Mark A" <someone(a)someone.com> wrote in message news:2BZXk.1412$UI2.981(a)bignews6.bellsouth.net... > "Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote in message > news:ggpkhu$a98$1(a)news.motzarella.org... >> I would not have posted that I use synthetic in all three cars because I >> do not. You can search my previous posts, and if you find where I posted >> that, I will humbly admit my error in that post. We got a good deal on a >> '97 Escort in the past year so we're up to four vehicles. The Escort >> does not get synthetic oil. > > You posted that a couple of years ago back when you had 3 cars, so I > remembered that part correctly. Unfortunately, I can't easily retrieve > your old posts. > > Yeah, I wouldn't put synthetic in a 10 year old Escort either. The cost of > one synthetic oil change would total the car. But if you bought a > excellent condition 98 Camry V6 XLE like my car, continuing to use > synthetic oil (as has been done from the first oil change) would be a wise > choice. > If removal of a valve cover confirmed that at least the top end of the engine was as clean as the seller claimed, then continuing to use synthetic oil is probably a good bet. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: SMS on 29 Nov 2008 03:19 Ray O wrote: > If removal of a valve cover confirmed that at least the top end of the > engine was as clean as the seller claimed, then continuing to use synthetic > oil is probably a good bet. How often have you removed a valve cover on a high-mileage vehicle that has had regular oil changes with conventional detergent motor oil and seen a gunked up top end? I admit that my experiences are limited to the one vehicle I had that required valve adjustments with shims, a 1979 VW Rabbit, but at 200K miles the engine was clean and had full compression, after having only conventional oil in every oil change (yeah, back then I was doing 3K changes). I remember that it had only a 5 digit odometer, so when I finally sold it I thought, 'hey, if I was dishonest I could claim that this vehicle only had 60K miles.' The paint was still in excellent condition.
From: Ray O on 29 Nov 2008 14:22
"SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message news:pV6Yk.6458$W06.1167(a)flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... > Ray O wrote: > >> If removal of a valve cover confirmed that at least the top end of the >> engine was as clean as the seller claimed, then continuing to use >> synthetic oil is probably a good bet. > > How often have you removed a valve cover on a high-mileage vehicle that > has had regular oil changes with conventional detergent motor oil and seen > a gunked up top end? I admit that my experiences are limited to the one > vehicle I had that required valve adjustments with shims, a 1979 VW > Rabbit, but at 200K miles the engine was clean and had full compression, > after having only conventional oil in every oil change (yeah, back then I > was doing 3K changes). I remember that it had only a 5 digit odometer, so > when I finally sold it I thought, 'hey, if I was dishonest I could claim > that this vehicle only had 60K miles.' The paint was still in excellent > condition. I haven't removed any valve covers lately, but in my previous job visiting dealers, I used to see a lot of engines with the valve cover removed because they required valve periodic adjustments. I'd say well over half, may 75%, were clean to very clean, and I attribute the high percentage of clean engines to they type of owners dealer service departments see. Owners who use dealer service departments exclusively are willing to pay a premium to have their car properly maintained and tend to have all of the automaker's recommended services performed. Of course, the mix of work done at the dealership may include unnecessary services like transmission flushes, but done routinely, they are not harmful. If the top end of the engine were extremely clean, I would probably continue using whatever product the original owner was using - synthetic or conventional. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply) |