Best no BS motor oil/filter comparison?
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From: SMS on 2 Dec 2008 11:47 RM v2.0 wrote: > "> >> I was really only suggesting that analysis might be a good idea for those >> people that don't understand how needless it is to do a 3000 mile oil >> change on a modern engine. They've been brainwashed by companies like >> Jiffy Lube and/or they remember what their father or grandfather told them >> back in the 1960's, and haven't updated this knowledge to account for >> higher quality multi-weight detergent motor oils, versus cans of SAE 30, >> even though every independent test has shown how needless 3000 mile >> changes actually are. >> > I dont get this either, both my Dodge truck and car recommend 7500 mile > changes for light use. Yet every place that changes it insists on sticking > that 3k mile interval on my windshield. I know why they do it, more changes > = more money for them but why do owners put up with it? The typical owner doesn't know any better, so they believe the quick-lube place. It's the same way some of these quick-lube places sell unneeded, and often harmful, additional services. > I bet we could save > a significant amount of oil if we stopped all the useless changes. True, but since the oil is cleaned and re-used, it's mainly the cost of the recycling that would be saved. I used to give my old oil to a group that burned it in restored locomotives, until the air quality management board put a stop to the practice.
From: Mark A on 2 Dec 2008 12:14 "RM v2.0" <Blah(a)spamsux.com> wrote in message news:p0cZk.56199$107.6132(a)fe05.news.easynews.com... > I dont get this either, both my Dodge truck and car recommend 7500 mile > changes for light use. Yet every place that changes it insists on sticking > that 3k mile interval on my windshield. I know why they do it, more > changes = more money for them but why do owners put up with it? I bet we > could save a significant amount of oil if we stopped all the useless > changes. Even conventional motor oil has improved significantly over the last 25 years, and at one time 3000 mile change intervals were not a bad idea. Toyota's recommended interval was 7500 miles in the later 1990's (maybe even before that, I don't recall) but Toyota decided to lower it to 5000 mile intervals after quite a few reports of sludge (all numbers are for normal driving).
From: Steve on 2 Dec 2008 12:49 Scott Dorsey wrote: .. > > Look, if the driver isn't watching the gauges, who is to say a red light > or a buzzer or a gadget that pokes him in the side is going to do any good > either? I used to make the same argument. But the truth of the matter is that an audible warning when any one gauge goes out of range isn't a bad thing. Airbus and Boeing do it that way now, it just is another way of reducing operator workload and allowing better focus on one task at a time. > I recently saw a Corolla whose engine had melted down into slag. > The owner noted that the oil light had been on for a couple weeks and he > kept meaning to have it checked. There's no cure for stupid, on that I do agree. People still have to know that if its the temp gauge going out of range, they can turn off the AC, turn on the heat full blast, and look for the next safe place to pull over. But if its the oil pressure gauge sitting at zero, they better cut the engine and coast to a stop NOW. But most people still think that the oil pressure gauge or light means they might need to top off the oil tomorrow or next week. Sheesh.
From: Mark A on 2 Dec 2008 23:51 "Ashton Crusher" <demi(a)moore.net> wrote in message news:043cj41mjaaelrkt8fkrjhnn4if4soqvb3(a)4ax.com... > Please God, Make it stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Debates about motor oil and oil filters will continue long after Armageddon.
From: "WindsorFox [SS]>" on 2 Dec 2008 23:59
Ashton Crusher wrote: > Please God, Make it stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Goto >File >Messages >Ignore thread. Simple. -- "Boy, I've spent my adult life dealing with people like you. There are few things that intimidate me; and a post-adolescent, semi-literate cretin ain't one of them." - LSP972 |