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From: SMS on 3 Dec 2008 12:24 Scott Dorsey wrote: > SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote: >> A lot more engines are destroyed by a loss of coolant than "worn out" >> oil. My nephew destroyed a three year old BMW X5 by not knowing or not >> noticing the temperature gauge, after the water pump started leaking. > > This is unfortunately a known issue on these cars. But in Driver's Ed, > didn't your nephew get taught to run his eyes across the gauges every > couple minutes and make sure everything was okay? You gotta watch them. There is no more driver's ed in schools. > Look, if the driver isn't watching the gauges, who is to say a red light > or a buzzer or a gadget that pokes him in the side is going to do any good > either? An audible warning is tough to ignore. A gauge or an idiot light doesn't mean much to people that don't understand what they mean, and I suspect that most drivers fall into that category. Most consumer devices automatically shut down before they destroy themselves, that's what over-temp sensors, fuses, safety valves, etc. are for. But most vehicles will just keep running until they fail catastrophically. "WARNING! Engine Failure. Pull Over and Shut off Engine!" In multiple languages of course.
From: Brent on 3 Dec 2008 12:41 On 2008-12-03, SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote: > Scott Dorsey wrote: >> SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote: >>> A lot more engines are destroyed by a loss of coolant than "worn out" >>> oil. My nephew destroyed a three year old BMW X5 by not knowing or not >>> noticing the temperature gauge, after the water pump started leaking. >> >> This is unfortunately a known issue on these cars. But in Driver's Ed, >> didn't your nephew get taught to run his eyes across the gauges every >> couple minutes and make sure everything was okay? You gotta watch them. > > There is no more driver's ed in schools. > >> Look, if the driver isn't watching the gauges, who is to say a red light >> or a buzzer or a gadget that pokes him in the side is going to do any good >> either? > > An audible warning is tough to ignore. A gauge or an idiot light doesn't > mean much to people that don't understand what they mean, and I suspect > that most drivers fall into that category. Most consumer devices > automatically shut down before they destroy themselves, that's what > over-temp sensors, fuses, safety valves, etc. are for. But most vehicles > will just keep running until they fail catastrophically. with computer controls it would be entirely software to shut down the car now. Well an over-ride switch is probably needed in case its just a sensor issue a person needs to get home, that might add 25 cents to the cost. Then again some magic combination of control usages could do it do, so it's back to software. > "WARNING! Engine Failure. Pull Over and Shut off Engine!" > > In multiple languages of course.
From: Ray O on 3 Dec 2008 13:09 "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message news:qkzZk.5873$pr6.3308(a)flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com... > Scott Dorsey wrote: >> SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote: >>> A lot more engines are destroyed by a loss of coolant than "worn out" >>> oil. My nephew destroyed a three year old BMW X5 by not knowing or not >>> noticing the temperature gauge, after the water pump started leaking. >> >> This is unfortunately a known issue on these cars. But in Driver's Ed, >> didn't your nephew get taught to run his eyes across the gauges every >> couple minutes and make sure everything was okay? You gotta watch them. > > There is no more driver's ed in schools. > Our local high school still offers driver's ed. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: ben91932 on 3 Dec 2008 18:49 > > Thanks > > http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php > > Excellent discussion. Thats a good site with good info. You cant go wrong with using exactly what the manufacturer recommends. Ben
From: Tomes on 3 Dec 2008 21:46
"Ray O" ... > "SMS" ... >> Scott Dorsey wrote: >>> SMS: >>>> A lot more engines are destroyed by a loss of coolant than "worn out" >>>> oil. My nephew destroyed a three year old BMW X5 by not knowing or not >>>> noticing the temperature gauge, after the water pump started leaking. >>> >>> This is unfortunately a known issue on these cars. But in Driver's Ed, >>> didn't your nephew get taught to run his eyes across the gauges every >>> couple minutes and make sure everything was okay? You gotta watch them. >> >> There is no more driver's ed in schools. >> > Our local high school still offers driver's ed. Not here in NJ anymore. My daughter starts her paid and mandatory driving lessons on Saturday (even though she has been driving the Jeep around the back property for years now). Tomes |