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From: E. Meyer on 5 Dec 2008 11:14 On 12/4/08 5:55 PM, in article mkqgj4tnl59aoaoi7fb06cprh7bdbv1355(a)4ax.com, "Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted(a)comcast.net> wrote: > On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:55:07 GMT, "E. Meyer" <epmeyer50(a)msn.com> > wrote: > > >>> As far as I know driver's ed is still a HS graduation requirement in >>> Illinois. >> >> When did they start doing that? It certainly was not a graduation >> requirement in Illinois when I went to high school there. It was offered in >> most schools, but only as an extra cost after school activity. >> > Don't know when they started. > I recall they were permitted at 15 - at school - got initial > instruction at school, and had to spend some hours driving with a > licensed driver - it was sometimes me, sometimes my wife - then > did the test at school when they were 16. > They just picked up the license at the DMV. > DMV randomly tests some dates - my son caught that so was tested > twice. > They didn't even offer it when I was in school. > My last two graduated in 2002 and 2003. > It was required. Just like the Constitution test. > > --Vic I guess I'm just too old. There was no constitution test when I went to HS in Illinois either (class of '68). I do remember the last time I had to drive in Illinois I observed a near universal disregard for virtually all the rules of the road and near total lack of enforcement that would have blown our minds back in the '60s.
From: Brent on 5 Dec 2008 11:47
On 2008-12-05, Steve <no(a)spam.thanks> wrote: > Brent wrote: >> On 2008-12-04, Steve <no(a)spam.thanks> wrote: >>> Brent wrote: >>>> On 2008-12-04, Steve <no(a)spam.thanks> wrote: >>>>> Brent wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> with computer controls it would be entirely software to shut down the >>>>>> car now. >>>>> And the first time someone gets killed because he didn't have the choice >>>>> of sacrificing his engine to get to a safe spot.... >>>> I wasn't implying a hard cut off, 'now' meant in the present day. >>>> >>> Yes... but does it make a difference? If the computer shuts the car off >>> 'now' or 'in 30 seconds,' its still out of the driver's control. I know >>> you mentioned an override switch, but I can still see the lawsuits >>> flying. "I got all scared when the warning went off, I couldn't find the >>> switch, so I looked around for it and hit a guardrail while I was >>> looking down, and then a truck hit me, my passenger was killed and I'm >>> paralyzed. The carmaker owes me 300 million dollars." >> >> What do these idiots do when the ignition module cuts out? >> >> Or better yet, when the engine ultimately siezes up from overheating? >> >> > > Brent, you're making sense. Stop it. Now think like a lawyer: > > Those incidents you mentioned are "acts of God" and you can't win a > lawsuit based on them. > > But if the computer SHUTS DOWN the engine BY DESIGN, well my-oh-my, > that's willful murder on the part of the manufacturer! Now we've got a > CASE!! A good lawyer could sue for faulty water pump design or poorly made ignition modules too ;) |