From: E. Meyer on

On 12/4/08 5:55 PM, in article mkqgj4tnl59aoaoi7fb06cprh7bdbv1355(a),
"Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted(a)> wrote:

> On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:55:07 GMT, "E. Meyer" <epmeyer50(a)>
> wrote:
>>> As far as I know driver's ed is still a HS graduation requirement in
>>> Illinois.
>> When did they start doing that? It certainly was not a graduation
>> requirement in Illinois when I went to high school there. It was offered in
>> most schools, but only as an extra cost after school activity.
> Don't know when they started.
> I recall they were permitted at 15 - at school - got initial
> instruction at school, and had to spend some hours driving with a
> licensed driver - it was sometimes me, sometimes my wife - then
> did the test at school when they were 16.
> They just picked up the license at the DMV.
> DMV randomly tests some dates - my son caught that so was tested
> twice.
> They didn't even offer it when I was in school.
> My last two graduated in 2002 and 2003.
> It was required. Just like the Constitution test.
> --Vic

I guess I'm just too old. There was no constitution test when I went to HS
in Illinois either (class of '68). I do remember the last time I had to
drive in Illinois I observed a near universal disregard for virtually all
the rules of the road and near total lack of enforcement that would have
blown our minds back in the '60s.

From: Brent on
On 2008-12-05, Steve <no(a)spam.thanks> wrote:
> Brent wrote:
>> On 2008-12-04, Steve <no(a)spam.thanks> wrote:
>>> Brent wrote:
>>>> On 2008-12-04, Steve <no(a)spam.thanks> wrote:
>>>>> Brent wrote:
>>>>>> with computer controls it would be entirely software to shut down the
>>>>>> car now.
>>>>> And the first time someone gets killed because he didn't have the choice
>>>>> of sacrificing his engine to get to a safe spot....
>>>> I wasn't implying a hard cut off, 'now' meant in the present day.
>>> Yes... but does it make a difference? If the computer shuts the car off
>>> 'now' or 'in 30 seconds,' its still out of the driver's control. I know
>>> you mentioned an override switch, but I can still see the lawsuits
>>> flying. "I got all scared when the warning went off, I couldn't find the
>>> switch, so I looked around for it and hit a guardrail while I was
>>> looking down, and then a truck hit me, my passenger was killed and I'm
>>> paralyzed. The carmaker owes me 300 million dollars."
>> What do these idiots do when the ignition module cuts out?
>> Or better yet, when the engine ultimately siezes up from overheating?
> Brent, you're making sense. Stop it. Now think like a lawyer:
> Those incidents you mentioned are "acts of God" and you can't win a
> lawsuit based on them.
> But if the computer SHUTS DOWN the engine BY DESIGN, well my-oh-my,
> that's willful murder on the part of the manufacturer! Now we've got a
> CASE!!

A good lawyer could sue for faulty water pump design or poorly made
ignition modules too ;)