Best no BS motor oil/filter comparison?
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From: C. E. White on 24 Nov 2008 16:01 "Steve W." <csr684NOT(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ggf1kb$c9r$1(a)aioe.org... >> After what happened with the Fram PH6017, which were failing due to >> construction quality, I swore off Fram. > > You do know that Fram MAKES Toyota's filters? They have for quite a > while. They also have made filters for Ford, GM, and even have been > a source for other filter makers as well... Which Toyota filters? Be specific. I am only familiar with the Toyota filters for the 2.4L I4 used by RAV4s (90915-10004 or 90915-YZZF1). Fram may make one of these filters, but they are not like a Fram aftermarket filter. I think it is much more likely that Denso is making the Toyota filters I care about. Which Ford filters? I am very familiar with FL820S and FL1s. Their construction is nothing like the insides of the Fram aftermarket filter that fits the same applications. So while Fram may make filters for others, they aren't necessarily using the same techniques for the filters they sell in the aftermarket. Not all companies make all filters for all application. I am sure that a lot of production swapping goes on. However, for high volume applications (like the FL820S) I believe most actual filter manufacturers make their own versions (Fram makes their PH2 / TG2, Wix makes their 51372, Purolator makes their PL24651, etc). I am also sure that many "brands" (like Motorcraft, ACDelco, Amsoil, Mobil, etc) market private label version of filters from other companies. I suppose some of them may use Fram from time to time, but at least as far as I know, if you buy a Motorcraft FL820S oil filter today, it is not coming from Fram and it is made to meet OEM specifications. Ditto for a Toyota 90915-1004. That may change in the future, but unless all the filter manufacturers drop down to Fram's aftermarket level of quality, I'll be able to find something better I can use. Ed
From: C. E. White on 24 Nov 2008 16:10 "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message news:Xns9B60A0731C376tegger(a)208.90.168.18... > I'm not personally aware of any aftermarket parts for the imports > that are > superior to OEM, with the possible exception of radiators. Come on, you can't really believe this... I am sure you can find legions of people that will swear this part or that part is better than the OE part (take you pick, brake pads, exhaust parts, shocks, ball joints, belts, hoses, tires, etc., etc., etc.). I have a preference for OE parts myself, but "any" with one possible exception? Seems way to broad to be credible. I can state for a fact that a Walker aftermarket muffler for a 1997 Honda Civic lasted longer than the OE and one Honda factory replacement (car had three muffles in 10 years the original, one Honda replacement, one Walker). Ed
From: Steve on 24 Nov 2008 16:45 Tegger wrote: > My personal and untested opinion is that most aftermarket oil filters are > about the same quality as most aftermarket car parts, which is to say of > poor and/or questionable quality. that's why I only ever buy OEM for our > (Honda and Toyota) vehicles. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THAT explains it. Its a religious thing, not a fact-based thing. ;-)
From: Steve on 24 Nov 2008 16:51 Tegger wrote: > Must be a domestic thing. Yeah. And gravity is a domestic thing, too. > > I'm not personally aware of any aftermarket parts for the imports that are > superior to OEM, with the possible exception of radiators. They're out there, in spades. The aftermarket frequently comes up with "problem solver" replacement parts a long time before the OEM even fesses up to a defect (particularly Toyota, which never admits anything until the numbers are overwhelming and the internet is on fire with complaints).
From: HLS on 24 Nov 2008 17:15
"Steve" <no(a)spam.thanks> wrote in message > They're out there, in spades. The aftermarket frequently comes up with > "problem solver" replacement parts a long time before the OEM even fesses > up to a defect (particularly Toyota, which never admits anything until the > numbers are overwhelming and the internet is on fire with complaints). One of my FLAPS friends told me that they have to do better, or they would be out of business. You couldnt sell OEM problematic plenums in the aftermarket for nearly ten years.....Your customers would take your scalp. I can remember a time when Chrysler put out a long series of substandard master cylinders...The cure was to replace it with EIS or some other aftermarket unit. There are many examples of this. |