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From: RD Sandman on 27 Jul 2010 17:04 "CharlesGrozny" <n5hsr(a)hotmail.com> wrote in news:haCdnU1VjLwsttLRnZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com: > > "RD Sandman" <rdsandman(a)comcast[remove].net> wrote in message > news:Xns9DC26A25925EBhopewell(a)216.196.97.130... >> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in >> news:jtq3o.41787$cO.8264(a)newsfe09.iad: >> >>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>> news:4c4e3126$0$74763$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:30:29 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>> news:4c4e0dc6$0$74751$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:08:11 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:4c4df87e$0$74749$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>>>>>> John Kerry wants YOU to pay your taxes, but... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (PS, it could have been built in Mass or NH and employed local >>>>>>>> people...) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BOSTON (WBZ) ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Kerry Docks New Yacht In RI, Saves Taxes >>>>>>>> (7/24/2010) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Senator John Kerry found himself answering questions Monday >>>>>>>> about his new >>>>>>>> $7 million yacht and the controversy about where he's docking >>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "There's nothing more to say about it," he told reporters at an >>>>>>>> event at >>>>>>>> the former South Weymouth Naval Air Station Monday. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The "Isabel" is docked in Rhode Island rather than at Kerry's >>>>>>>> summer home >>>>>>>> on Nantucket or in Boston Harbor. That means he avoids paying >>>>>>>> nearly $500,000 in taxes to Massachusetts and he doesn't have >>>>>>>> to pay a $70,000-a-year excise tax. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Smart move. That's how you get rich or stay rich. >>>>>> >>>>>> Fine and well, if you're not in the practice of telling other >>>>>> people they >>>>>> have to pay their taxes. Remember when Kerry was running against >>>>>> Bush? >>>>>> >>>>>> How quickly we forget...but some of us *don't* . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> OK. Let's clarify something. You feel that everyone should pay >>>>> their fair share of taxes, right? >>>>> >>>>> I'm not asking whether you LIKE taxes, or whether they're too >>>>> high, low, or >>>>> anything else. >>>>> >>>>> You feel that everyone should pay their fair share of taxes, >>>>> right? >>>>> >>>>> Yes? >>>> >>>> <Sniff...sniff...> WHat do you consider "fair share", and where is >>>> this going? >>> >>> >>> "Fair share" means whatever is the legal requirement at the moment. >>> You meant to say YES but you were afraid to. >>> >>> Now I will show you that you're no different than Kerry. Your band >>> somehow hits the big time, playing high-priced weddings, outdoor >>> festivals and corporate events. You need $10,000.00 worth of PA >>> equipment. You find a dealer across the state line where sales tax >>> (hypothetically speaking) is 3% lower than where you live and the >>> base price is identical to the dealer in your state. It's a 15 >>> minute drive to save $300.00. >>> >>> I know what you'd do. You'd make the 15 minute drive to avoid paying >>> more tax. Don't tell me otherwise. You're just like Kerry. >> >> Not quite, he isn't getting up on a podium and telling everyone else >> to pay their taxes. >> > > And I don't know about Mass, I don't either. I am in Arizona. > ..... but in Illinois, they have started > checking to see if you filled out your ST-55 every year now. I assume that is a state sales tax form. You are > supposed to declare stuff you bought out of state and pay state sales > tax on it. Even if you paid taxes at the point of origin? Also, it is now IMPOSSIBLE to buy a car if you live in > CROOK County without paying CROOK County taxes on it. Even the > Indiana and Wisconsin dealers have the paperwork now. > > The state is so desperate that it's checking declarations on US custom > forms for stuff your bringing into the country and sending you a tax > bill for that. > > In theory, you're even supposed to declare the gas and cigarettes you > buy out of state. Yeah, like anyone ever really does that. That's > where Nobama the Bungler gets his ideas about taxes from is from > Illinois' crazy system. Daley has to have some way to pay for his side of the lawsuits on his gun control programs. -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) The three stages of our economy....... Recession - You neighbor loses his job... Depression - You lose your job... Recovery - Obama loses his....
From: RD Sandman on 27 Jul 2010 17:05 Bill Smith <quandary(a)newsguy.com> wrote in news:c3bu465i56u21444d4pe9kn848aantuenm(a)4ax.com: > On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:17:25 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom" > <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: > >>"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>news:4c4e3126$0$74763$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:30:29 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>> >>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>> news:4c4e0dc6$0$74751$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:08:11 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>>> news:4c4df87e$0$74749$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>>>>> John Kerry wants YOU to pay your taxes, but... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (PS, it could have been built in Mass or NH and employed local >>>>>>> people...) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BOSTON (WBZ) ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Kerry Docks New Yacht In RI, Saves Taxes >>>>>>> (7/24/2010) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Senator John Kerry found himself answering questions Monday >>>>>>> about his new >>>>>>> $7 million yacht and the controversy about where he's docking >>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "There's nothing more to say about it," he told reporters at an >>>>>>> event at >>>>>>> the former South Weymouth Naval Air Station Monday. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The "Isabel" is docked in Rhode Island rather than at Kerry's >>>>>>> summer home >>>>>>> on Nantucket or in Boston Harbor. That means he avoids paying >>>>>>> nearly $500,000 in taxes to Massachusetts and he doesn't have to >>>>>>> pay a $70,000-a-year excise tax. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Smart move. That's how you get rich or stay rich. >>>>> >>>>> Fine and well, if you're not in the practice of telling other >>>>> people they >>>>> have to pay their taxes. Remember when Kerry was running against >>>>> Bush? >>>>> >>>>> How quickly we forget...but some of us *don't* . >>>> >>>> >>>> OK. Let's clarify something. You feel that everyone should pay >>>> their fair share of taxes, right? >>>> >>>> I'm not asking whether you LIKE taxes, or whether they're too high, >>>> low, or >>>> anything else. >>>> >>>> You feel that everyone should pay their fair share of taxes, right? >>>> >>>> Yes? >>> >>> <Sniff...sniff...> WHat do you consider "fair share", and where is >>> this going? >> >> >>"Fair share" means whatever is the legal requirement at the moment. >>You meant to say YES but you were afraid to. >> >>Now I will show you that you're no different than Kerry. Your band >>somehow hits the big time, playing high-priced weddings, outdoor >>festivals and corporate events. You need $10,000.00 worth of PA >>equipment. You find a dealer across the state line where sales tax >>(hypothetically speaking) is 3% lower than where you live and the base >>price is identical to the dealer in your state. It's a 15 minute drive >>to save $300.00. >> >>I know what you'd do. You'd make the 15 minute drive to avoid paying >>more tax. Don't tell me otherwise. You're just like Kerry. >> > > But when you bring your PA equipment back with you, you'd have to pay > the remaining tax anyway, you'd probably never get caught, but it's > still required. Try another example. > > FWIW, I don't like the man's politics, but don't have a problem with > what he did, it's legal. I really don't either, but I don't like him telling everyone else to pay all their taxes and not try to dodge them. That means that along with his politics, I don't like the man either. -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) The three stages of our economy....... Recession - You neighbor loses his job... Depression - You lose your job... Recovery - Obama loses his....
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 27 Jul 2010 17:27 "RD Sandman" <rdsandman(a)comcast[remove].net> wrote in message news:Xns9DC28F65A53D9hopewell(a)216.196.97.130... >> FWIW, I don't like the man's politics, but don't have a problem with >> what he did, it's legal. > > I really don't either, but I don't like him telling everyone else to pay > all their taxes and not try to dodge them. Did Kerry *actually* preach about that, or are you just getting swept along in the OP's "evidence"? Kerry may have preached about it, or he may not have preached about it. The OP has yet to show any evidence, but he swears he has very clear memories of the preaching.
From: RD Sandman on 27 Jul 2010 17:37 "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in news:2bI3o.31998$OU6.10260(a)newsfe20.iad: > "RD Sandman" <rdsandman(a)comcast[remove].net> wrote in message > news:Xns9DC28F65A53D9hopewell(a)216.196.97.130... > >>> FWIW, I don't like the man's politics, but don't have a problem with >>> what he did, it's legal. >> >> I really don't either, but I don't like him telling everyone else to >> pay all their taxes and not try to dodge them. > > > Did Kerry *actually* preach about that, or are you just getting swept > along in the OP's "evidence"? Kerry may have preached about it, or he > may not have preached about it. The OP has yet to show any evidence, > but he swears he has very clear memories of the preaching. Joe, the man is a member of the tax and spend party. The republicans are the spend party. Do you think that Kerry voted for programs that were to be covered by taxes thinking that most people would not pay them? As to whether he physically stood on a soap box and preached that, I don't think so. He did, however, plan on everyone doing it. Now, that aside, I don't have a problem with what he did. I would have done the same, had I the money to buy the yacht. However, I am not in Congress passing legislation that requires everyone to pay their taxes. I am not like Charlie Rangel who fails to claim rental monies, or Timothy Geightner who couldn't understand Turbotax but leads the Treasury. -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) The three stages of our economy....... Recession - You neighbor loses his job... Depression - You lose your job... Recovery - Obama loses his....
From: Scout on 27 Jul 2010 17:39
JohnJohnsn wrote: > On Jul 26, 8:50 pm, "Scout" <me4g...(a)verizon.nospam.net> wrote: > >> JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >> >>> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>> news:4c4e3126$0$74763$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >> >>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:30:29 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >> >>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>> news:4c4e0dc6$0$74751$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >> >>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:08:11 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >> >>>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:4c4df87e$0$74749$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >> >>>>>>>> John Kerry wants YOU to pay your taxes, but... >> >>>>>>>> (PS, it could have been built in Mass or NH and employed local >>>>>>>> people...) >> >>>>>>>> BOSTON (WBZ) ? >> >>>>>>>> * Kerry Docks New Yacht In RI, Saves Taxes >>>>>>>> (7/24/2010) >> >>>>>>>> Senator John Kerry found himself answering questions Monday >>>>>>>> about his new $7 million yacht and the controversy about where >>>>>>>> he's docking it. >> >>>>>>>> "There's nothing more to say about it," he told reporters at an >>>>>>>> event at the former South Weymouth Naval Air Station Monday. >> >>>>>>>> The "Isabel" is docked in Rhode Island rather than at Kerry's >>>>>>>> summer home on Nantucket or in Boston Harbor. That means he >>>>>>>> avoids paying nearly $500,000 in taxes to Massachusetts and he >>>>>>>> doesn't have to pay a $70,000-a-year excise tax. >> >>>>>>> Smart move. That's how you get rich or stay rich. >> >>>>>> Fine and well, if you're not in the practice of telling other >>>>>> people they have to pay their taxes. Remember when Kerry was >>>>>> running against >>>>>> Bush? How quickly we forget...but some of us *don't* . >> >>>>> OK. Let's clarify something. You feel that everyone should pay >>>>> their fair share of taxes, right? >> >>>>> I'm not asking whether you LIKE taxes, or whether they're too >>>>> high, low, or anything else. >> >>>>> You feel that everyone should pay their fair share of taxes, >>>>> right? >> >>>>> Yes? >> >>>> <Sniff...sniff...> What do you consider "fair share", and where is >>>> this going? >> >>> "Fair share" means whatever is the legal requirement at the moment. >> >> Ah, so if we set the tax rate for the very rich at 98%, then that's >> their "fair share".... >> >> Seems rather......arbitrary. > > Wonder how the Kerrys would like _these_ "tax rates for the rich"? > > Tax year Top marginal �Taxable > tax rate (%) income over-- > > 1936 79 5,000,000 > 1937 79 5,000,000 > 1938 79 5,000,000 > 1939 79 5,000,000 > 1940 81 5,000,000 > 1941 81 5,000,000 > 1942 88 200,000 > 1943 88 200,000 > 1944 94 200,000 > 1945 94 200,000 > 1946 86.45 200,000 > 1947 86.45 200,000 > 1948 82.13 400,000 > 1949 82.13 400,000 > 1950 84.36 400,000 > 1951 91 400,000 > 1952 92 400,000 > 1953 92 400,000 > 1954 91 400,000 > 1955 91 400,000 > 1956 91 400,000 > 1957 91 400,000 > 1958 91 400,000 > 1959 91 400,000 > 1960 91 400,000 > 1961 91 400,000 > 1962 91 400,000 > 1963 91 400,000 > > From the current rate: > > 2010 35 373,651 > > That would be "fair"; don't you think? According to him it would be since it was the law....... Then he bitches that whether the law is fair has nothing to do with it. > � Not adjusted for inflation |