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From: spamlock on 30 Jul 2010 18:13 On 7/30/2010 3:02 PM, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:59:46 -0500, RD Sandman wrote: > >> =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?=<Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >> wrote in news:4c509584$0$74763$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se: >> >>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:38:47 -0700, JohnJohnsn wrote: >>> >>>> On Jul 27, 4:43Â pm, "JoeSpareBedroom"<newstr...(a)frontiernet.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> "RD Sandman"<rdsandman(a)comcast[remove].net> wrote in message >>>>> news:Xns9DC294CA7ED45hopewell(a)216.196.97.130... >>>>> >>>>>> "JoeSpareBedroom"<newstr...(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in >>>>>> news:2bI3o.31998$OU6.10260(a)newsfe20.iad: >>>>> >>>>>>> "RD Sandman"<rdsandman(a)comcast[remove].net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:Xns9DC28F65A53D9hopewell(a)216.196.97.130... >>>>> >>>>>>>>> FWIW, I don't like the man's politics, but don't have a problem >>>>>>>>> with what he did, it's legal. >>>>> >>>>>>>> I really don't either, but I don't like him telling everyone else >>>>>>>> to pay all their taxes and not try to dodge them. >>>>> >>>>>>> Did Kerry *actually* preach about that, or are you just getting >>>>>>> swept along in the OP's "evidence"? Kerry may have preached about >>>>>>> it, or he may not have preached about it. The OP has yet to show >>>>>>> any evidence, but he swears he has very clear memories of the >>>>>>> preaching. >>>>> >>>>>> Joe, the man is a member of the tax and spend party. Â The >>>>>> republicans are the spend party. Â Do you think that Kerry voted >>>>>> for programs that were to be covered by taxes thinking that most >>>>>> people would not pay them? Â As to whether he physically stood on a >>>>>> soap box and preached that, I don't think so. He did, however, plan >>>>>> on everyone doing it. >>>>> >>>>>> Now, that aside, I don't have a problem with what he did. Â I would >>>>>> have done the same, had I the money to buy the yacht. Â However, I >>>>>> am not in Congress passing legislation that requires everyone to >>>>>> pay their taxes. I am not like Charlie Rangel who fails to claim >>>>>> rental monies, or Timothy Geightner who couldn't understand >>>>>> Turbotax but leads the Treasury. >>>>> >>>>> So, in answer to my question about preaching, you said NO. Thank you >>>>> very much. >>>>> >>>>> Next question: "Read my lips - NO NEW TAXES!" Â Did you also have a >>>>> problem with the person who uttered those words when his utterance >>>>> turned out to be false? >>>> >>>> "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." >>>> --Saint Bernard of Clairvaux >>>> >>>> "Read my lips: no new taxes" is a now-famous phrase spoken by then >>>> presidential candidate George H. W. Bush at the 1988 Republican >>>> National Convention as he accepted the nomination on August 18. >>>> Written by speechwriter Peggy Noonan, the line was one of the most >>>> prominent sound bites from the speech. The pledge not to tax the >>>> American people further had been a consistent part of Bush's 1988 >>>> election platform, but its prominent inclusion in his speech cemented >>>> it in the public consciousness. The impact of the election promise >>>> was considerable, and many supporters of Bush believe it helped Bush >>>> win the 1988 presidential election. >>>> >>>> Once he became president, however, Bush raised taxes as a way to >>>> reduce the national budget deficit. Bush refused many times but was >>>> making no progress with a Senate and House that was controlled by >>>> Democrats. Bush eventually agreed to a compromise with Congressional >>>> Democrats to raise several taxes as part of a 1990 budget agreement. >>>> This reversal caused great controversy, especially in the more >>>> conservative wing of the Republican Party. Although technically there >>>> were no new taxes in this agreement, Bush in the same speech also >>>> ruled out raising existing taxes. In the 1992 presidential election >>>> campaign, Pat Buchanan made extensive use of the phrase in his strong >>>> challenge to Bush in the Republican primaries. In the election >>>> itself, Democratic nominee Bill Clinton, running as a moderate, also >>>> pointed to the quotation as evidence of Bush's untrustworthiness, >>>> which contributed to Bush's losing his bid for re-election. >>>> >>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read_my_lips:_no_new_taxes> >>>> >>>> "Bush refused many times but was making no progress with a Senate and >>>> House that was controlled by Democrats." >>>> >>>> Funny how the LIEberal Socialist DIMocRATS seem to forget this part. >>> >>> >>> Presidents can't raise taxes, only Congress has the power to inflict >>> or alter taxes. Most people tend to forget this. >>> >>> Obama has ASKED Congress to look into new tax 'opportunities'. I don't >>> believe Bush did that; and IIRC, Bush was trying to get Congress to >>> pass something and they held him over a barrel until he signed the new >>> tax bill. >>> >>> Then, IIRC they SCHTUPPED him and totally ignored his requested >>> action. >>> >>> Gotta love Democrats. >>> >>> >> >> Until 2006, Republicans had held both houses of Congress under Bush and >> Clinton since 1994 except GWB's first term when Congress was divided with >> Dems holding the Senate. In 2006, Dems took over both houses. > > > I tried to post a message the other day but it didn't get posted. > > We aren't talking Democrats here, we're talking Progressives. Big > difference. I think the reason people think you're a Republican in sheep's > clothing is because you are an OLD time Democrat, like my Mom. I was an old time Democrat. I left the party before Carter showed up. I have been a registered independent since. I still consider myself to be liberal but when I take those political orientation tests, I come out as centrist with libertarian leanings, so maybe I am now a centrist. Amazing how far the political partys have drifted. She's a > Roosevelt Democrat, and there is a BIG difference between Democrat and > Progressive. Yes, there is. > Even or resident k00k, edspyhill is showing some anger at the current crop > of Democrats. > > They should leave the party and start their own "tea party" to stop > soiling the good name of Democrat. > > Conversely, the Republicans have the other problem: a lot of "Republicans" > are a lot more moderate than a lot of "real" Republicans would like to > see, John McCain being a good example. Yep. > BTW, my second cousin twice removed was Silvio Conte. Can you say "RINO"? ;) > >
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 30 Jul 2010 20:21
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:13:53 -0700, spamlock wrote: >> I tried to post a message the other day but it didn't get posted. >> >> We aren't talking Democrats here, we're talking Progressives. Big >> difference. I think the reason people think you're a Republican in sheep's >> clothing is because you are an OLD time Democrat, like my Mom. > > I was an old time Democrat. I left the party before Carter showed up. I > have been a registered independent since. I still consider myself to be > liberal but when I take those political orientation tests, I come out as > centrist with libertarian leanings, so maybe I am now a centrist. > Amazing how far the political partys have drifted. LOL! This is interesting! I am now a registered Rep, because to vote in the primaries in Mass you have to declare a party (you can change back on the way out; I can't remember if I did). I have been right-leaning for about 22 years now, but have always been registered Independant... > but when I take those political orientation tests, I come out as > centrist with libertarian leanings, so maybe I am now a centrist. > Amazing how far the political partys have drifted. Yup! I come out EXACTLY the same as you! ;) |