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From: JoeSpareBedroom on 29 Jul 2010 07:55 "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:4c509f56$0$74751$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:57:12 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: > >> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >> news:4c509902$0$74751$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:37:23 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>> >>>>>> You've tried this stunt before. You already have the link which you >>>>>> want >>>>>> me >>>>>> to search for. Show the link. >>>>> >>>>> Nope. I don't. Howie Carr ranted about it for WEEKS! Where the hell >>>>> were >>>>> you? >>>> >>>> >>>> Only idiots pay attention to Howie Carr. Go find a reliable source and >>>> present it here. >>> >>> Gee, he played the sound bite from Kerry himself,. Over and over and >>> over. >>> Kerry himself is not a "reliable source" for what he himself says? >>> >>> >>> Wait a minute...no, he's not. >> >> >> Go find the sound byte and present the link here. If Howie found it, you >> can >> find it. At this point, I'm sure you're lying. There is no sound byte in >> which Kerry says what you claim, or anything even distantly similar. > > http://www.google.com > > here you go. If you actually used other sources than NYT, RS and > MoveOn.org, you'd know these things. > > I suggest Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. You'll never be underinformed > again. Grownups don't have time to listen to radio & TV as much as you do. It's going to kill you, ya shlub.
From: RD Sandman on 29 Jul 2010 12:55 "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in news:GS_3o.38599 $KT3.32221(a)newsfe13.iad: > "RD Sandman" <rdsandman(a)comcast[remove].net> wrote in message > news:Xns9DC376BE65C07hopewell(a)216.196.97.130... >> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in news:% LI3o.32002 >> $OU6.7478(a)newsfe20.iad: >> >>> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman(a)comcast[remove].net> wrote in message >>> news:Xns9DC298F097D31hopewell(a)216.196.97.130... >>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in >> news:AxI3o.32000 >>>> $OU6.19601(a)newsfe20.iad: >>>> >>>>> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman(a)comcast[remove].net> wrote in message >>>>> news:Xns9DC29653A85E3hopewell(a)216.196.97.130... >>>>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in >>>>>> news:tqI3o.31999$OU6.31521(a)newsfe20.iad: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman(a)comcast[remove].net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:Xns9DC294CA7ED45hopewell(a)216.196.97.130... >>>>>>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in >>>>>>>> news:2bI3o.31998$OU6.10260(a)newsfe20.iad: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman(a)comcast[remove].net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:Xns9DC28F65A53D9hopewell(a)216.196.97.130... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> FWIW, I don't like the man's politics, but don't have a problem >>>>>>>>>>> with what he did, it's legal. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I really don't either, but I don't like him telling everyone >> else >>>>>>>>>> to pay all their taxes and not try to dodge them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Did Kerry *actually* preach about that, or are you just getting >>>>>>>>> swept along in the OP's "evidence"? Kerry may have preached about >>>>>>>>> it, or he may not have preached about it. The OP has yet to show >>>> any >>>>>>>>> evidence, but he swears he has very clear memories of the >>>> preaching. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Joe, the man is a member of the tax and spend party. The >>>> republicans >>>>>>>> are the spend party. Do you think that Kerry voted for programs >>>> that >>>>>>>> were to be covered by taxes thinking that most people would not >> pay >>>>>>>> them? As to whether he physically stood on a soap box and >> preached >>>>>>>> that, I don't think so. He did, however, plan on everyone doing >> it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now, that aside, I don't have a problem with what he did. I would >>>>>>>> have done the same, had I the money to buy the yacht. However, I >> am >>>>>>>> not in Congress passing legislation that requires everyone to pay >>>>>>>> their taxes. I am not like Charlie Rangel who fails to claim >> rental >>>>>>>> monies, or Timothy Geightner who couldn't understand Turbotax but >>>>>>>> leads the Treasury. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, in answer to my question about preaching, you said NO. Thank >> you >>>>>>> very much. >>>>>> >>>>>> I do what I can to be as honest as I can. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Next question: "Read my lips - NO NEW TAXES!" Did you also have a >>>>>>> problem with the person who uttered those words when his utterance >>>>>>> turned out to be false? >>>>>> >>>>>> Yep, and I had problems with his son, too. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Now, where's the transcript or video in which we can see Kerry >>>> literally >>>>> telling us that we should all pay our taxes? Your inferences are of >> no >>>>> value. >>>> >>>> I thought we already covered that or is your memory that short? >>> >>> >>> Passing legislation is not the same as preaching. >> >> Who made the claim that it was? > > > A participant in this discussion made the claim that it was. > > "JohnJohnsn" <TopCop1988(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:7a51e11e-a6bf-487c-a8d7- 1376cfcef2dc(a)q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com... > >> What if a politician voted YES on a bill which ***REDUCED*** taxes. >> Is that also equivalent to preaching? > > Yes. > > > Thanks. -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) The three stages of our economy....... Recession - You neighbor loses his job... Depression - You lose your job... Recovery - Obama loses his....
From: RD Sandman on 29 Jul 2010 12:59 =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in news:4c509584$0$74763$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se: > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:38:47 -0700, JohnJohnsn wrote: > >> On Jul 27, 4:43 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net> >> wrote: >> >>> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman(a)comcast[remove].net> wrote in message >>> news:Xns9DC294CA7ED45hopewell(a)216.196.97.130... >>> >>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in >>>> news:2bI3o.31998$OU6.10260(a)newsfe20.iad: >>> >>>>> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman(a)comcast[remove].net> wrote in message >>>>> news:Xns9DC28F65A53D9hopewell(a)216.196.97.130... >>> >>>>>>> FWIW, I don't like the man's politics, but don't have a problem >>>>>>> with what he did, it's legal. >>> >>>>>> I really don't either, but I don't like him telling everyone else >>>>>> to pay all their taxes and not try to dodge them. >>> >>>>> Did Kerry *actually* preach about that, or are you just getting >>>>> swept along in the OP's "evidence"? Kerry may have preached about >>>>> it, or he may not have preached about it. The OP has yet to show >>>>> any evidence, but he swears he has very clear memories of the >>>>> preaching. >>> >>>> Joe, the man is a member of the tax and spend party. The >>>> republicans are the spend party. Do you think that Kerry voted >>>> for programs that were to be covered by taxes thinking that most >>>> people would not pay them? As to whether he physically stood on a >>>> soap box and preached that, I don't think so. He did, however, plan >>>> on everyone doing it. >>> >>>> Now, that aside, I don't have a problem with what he did. I would >>>> have done the same, had I the money to buy the yacht. However, I >>>> am not in Congress passing legislation that requires everyone to >>>> pay their taxes. I am not like Charlie Rangel who fails to claim >>>> rental monies, or Timothy Geightner who couldn't understand >>>> Turbotax but leads the Treasury. >>> >>> So, in answer to my question about preaching, you said NO. Thank you >>> very much. >>> >>> Next question: "Read my lips - NO NEW TAXES!" Did you also have a >>> problem with the person who uttered those words when his utterance >>> turned out to be false? >> >> "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." >> --Saint Bernard of Clairvaux >> >> "Read my lips: no new taxes" is a now-famous phrase spoken by then >> presidential candidate George H. W. Bush at the 1988 Republican >> National Convention as he accepted the nomination on August 18. >> Written by speechwriter Peggy Noonan, the line was one of the most >> prominent sound bites from the speech. The pledge not to tax the >> American people further had been a consistent part of Bush's 1988 >> election platform, but its prominent inclusion in his speech cemented >> it in the public consciousness. The impact of the election promise >> was considerable, and many supporters of Bush believe it helped Bush >> win the 1988 presidential election. >> >> Once he became president, however, Bush raised taxes as a way to >> reduce the national budget deficit. Bush refused many times but was >> making no progress with a Senate and House that was controlled by >> Democrats. Bush eventually agreed to a compromise with Congressional >> Democrats to raise several taxes as part of a 1990 budget agreement. >> This reversal caused great controversy, especially in the more >> conservative wing of the Republican Party. Although technically there >> were no new taxes in this agreement, Bush in the same speech also >> ruled out raising existing taxes. In the 1992 presidential election >> campaign, Pat Buchanan made extensive use of the phrase in his strong >> challenge to Bush in the Republican primaries. In the election >> itself, Democratic nominee Bill Clinton, running as a moderate, also >> pointed to the quotation as evidence of Bush's untrustworthiness, >> which contributed to Bush's losing his bid for re-election. >> >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read_my_lips:_no_new_taxes> >> >> "Bush refused many times but was making no progress with a Senate and >> House that was controlled by Democrats." >> >> Funny how the LIEberal Socialist DIMocRATS seem to forget this part. > > > Presidents can't raise taxes, only Congress has the power to inflict > or alter taxes. Most people tend to forget this. > > Obama has ASKED Congress to look into new tax 'opportunities'. I don't > believe Bush did that; and IIRC, Bush was trying to get Congress to > pass something and they held him over a barrel until he signed the new > tax bill. > > Then, IIRC they SCHTUPPED him and totally ignored his requested > action. > > Gotta love Democrats. > > Until 2006, Republicans had held both houses of Congress under Bush and Clinton since 1994 except GWB's first term when Congress was divided with Dems holding the Senate. In 2006, Dems took over both houses. -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) The three stages of our economy....... Recession - You neighbor loses his job... Depression - You lose your job... Recovery - Obama loses his....
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 30 Jul 2010 17:57 On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 07:55:05 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: > "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message > news:4c509f56$0$74751$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:57:12 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >> >>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>> news:4c509902$0$74751$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:37:23 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> You've tried this stunt before. You already have the link which you >>>>>>> want >>>>>>> me >>>>>>> to search for. Show the link. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nope. I don't. Howie Carr ranted about it for WEEKS! Where the hell >>>>>> were >>>>>> you? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Only idiots pay attention to Howie Carr. Go find a reliable source and >>>>> present it here. >>>> >>>> Gee, he played the sound bite from Kerry himself,. Over and over and >>>> over. >>>> Kerry himself is not a "reliable source" for what he himself says? >>>> >>>> >>>> Wait a minute...no, he's not. >>> >>> >>> Go find the sound byte and present the link here. If Howie found it, you >>> can >>> find it. At this point, I'm sure you're lying. There is no sound byte in >>> which Kerry says what you claim, or anything even distantly similar. >> >> http://www.google.com >> >> here you go. If you actually used other sources than NYT, RS and >> MoveOn.org, you'd know these things. >> >> I suggest Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. You'll never be underinformed >> again. > > > Grownups don't have time to listen to radio & TV as much as you do. It's > going to kill you, ya shlub. I drive in a car all day. I have nothing to do (between jobs) BUT listen to the radio. I even listen to Rhandi Rhodes when she doesn't either make me vomit or laugh myself to tears...
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 30 Jul 2010 18:02
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:59:46 -0500, RD Sandman wrote: > =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> > wrote in news:4c509584$0$74763$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se: > >> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:38:47 -0700, JohnJohnsn wrote: >> >>> On Jul 27, 4:43Â pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman(a)comcast[remove].net> wrote in message >>>> news:Xns9DC294CA7ED45hopewell(a)216.196.97.130... >>>> >>>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in >>>>> news:2bI3o.31998$OU6.10260(a)newsfe20.iad: >>>> >>>>>> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman(a)comcast[remove].net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:Xns9DC28F65A53D9hopewell(a)216.196.97.130... >>>> >>>>>>>> FWIW, I don't like the man's politics, but don't have a problem >>>>>>>> with what he did, it's legal. >>>> >>>>>>> I really don't either, but I don't like him telling everyone else >>>>>>> to pay all their taxes and not try to dodge them. >>>> >>>>>> Did Kerry *actually* preach about that, or are you just getting >>>>>> swept along in the OP's "evidence"? Kerry may have preached about >>>>>> it, or he may not have preached about it. The OP has yet to show >>>>>> any evidence, but he swears he has very clear memories of the >>>>>> preaching. >>>> >>>>> Joe, the man is a member of the tax and spend party. Â The >>>>> republicans are the spend party. Â Do you think that Kerry voted >>>>> for programs that were to be covered by taxes thinking that most >>>>> people would not pay them? Â As to whether he physically stood on a >>>>> soap box and preached that, I don't think so. He did, however, plan >>>>> on everyone doing it. >>>> >>>>> Now, that aside, I don't have a problem with what he did. Â I would >>>>> have done the same, had I the money to buy the yacht. Â However, I >>>>> am not in Congress passing legislation that requires everyone to >>>>> pay their taxes. I am not like Charlie Rangel who fails to claim >>>>> rental monies, or Timothy Geightner who couldn't understand >>>>> Turbotax but leads the Treasury. >>>> >>>> So, in answer to my question about preaching, you said NO. Thank you >>>> very much. >>>> >>>> Next question: "Read my lips - NO NEW TAXES!" Â Did you also have a >>>> problem with the person who uttered those words when his utterance >>>> turned out to be false? >>> >>> "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." >>> --Saint Bernard of Clairvaux >>> >>> "Read my lips: no new taxes" is a now-famous phrase spoken by then >>> presidential candidate George H. W. Bush at the 1988 Republican >>> National Convention as he accepted the nomination on August 18. >>> Written by speechwriter Peggy Noonan, the line was one of the most >>> prominent sound bites from the speech. The pledge not to tax the >>> American people further had been a consistent part of Bush's 1988 >>> election platform, but its prominent inclusion in his speech cemented >>> it in the public consciousness. The impact of the election promise >>> was considerable, and many supporters of Bush believe it helped Bush >>> win the 1988 presidential election. >>> >>> Once he became president, however, Bush raised taxes as a way to >>> reduce the national budget deficit. Bush refused many times but was >>> making no progress with a Senate and House that was controlled by >>> Democrats. Bush eventually agreed to a compromise with Congressional >>> Democrats to raise several taxes as part of a 1990 budget agreement. >>> This reversal caused great controversy, especially in the more >>> conservative wing of the Republican Party. Although technically there >>> were no new taxes in this agreement, Bush in the same speech also >>> ruled out raising existing taxes. In the 1992 presidential election >>> campaign, Pat Buchanan made extensive use of the phrase in his strong >>> challenge to Bush in the Republican primaries. In the election >>> itself, Democratic nominee Bill Clinton, running as a moderate, also >>> pointed to the quotation as evidence of Bush's untrustworthiness, >>> which contributed to Bush's losing his bid for re-election. >>> >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read_my_lips:_no_new_taxes> >>> >>> "Bush refused many times but was making no progress with a Senate and >>> House that was controlled by Democrats." >>> >>> Funny how the LIEberal Socialist DIMocRATS seem to forget this part. >> >> >> Presidents can't raise taxes, only Congress has the power to inflict >> or alter taxes. Most people tend to forget this. >> >> Obama has ASKED Congress to look into new tax 'opportunities'. I don't >> believe Bush did that; and IIRC, Bush was trying to get Congress to >> pass something and they held him over a barrel until he signed the new >> tax bill. >> >> Then, IIRC they SCHTUPPED him and totally ignored his requested >> action. >> >> Gotta love Democrats. >> >> > > Until 2006, Republicans had held both houses of Congress under Bush and > Clinton since 1994 except GWB's first term when Congress was divided with > Dems holding the Senate. In 2006, Dems took over both houses. I tried to post a message the other day but it didn't get posted. We aren't talking Democrats here, we're talking Progressives. Big difference. I think the reason people think you're a Republican in sheep's clothing is because you are an OLD time Democrat, like my Mom. She's a Roosevelt Democrat, and there is a BIG difference between Democrat and Progressive. Even or resident k00k, edspyhill is showing some anger at the current crop of Democrats. They should leave the party and start their own "tea party" to stop soiling the good name of Democrat. Conversely, the Republicans have the other problem: a lot of "Republicans" are a lot more moderate than a lot of "real" Republicans would like to see, John McCain being a good example. BTW, my second cousin twice removed was Silvio Conte. Can you say "RINO"? ;) |