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From: JoeSpareBedroom on 28 Jul 2010 08:24 "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:4c4f8904$0$74748$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... > On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:45:41 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: > >> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman(a)comcast[remove].net> wrote in message >> news:Xns9DC26A25925EBhopewell(a)216.196.97.130... >>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in >>> news:jtq3o.41787$cO.8264(a)newsfe09.iad: >>> >>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>> news:4c4e3126$0$74763$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:30:29 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>>> news:4c4e0dc6$0$74751$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:08:11 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:4c4df87e$0$74749$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>>>>>>> John Kerry wants YOU to pay your taxes, but... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (PS, it could have been built in Mass or NH and employed local >>>>>>>>> people...) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> BOSTON (WBZ) ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * Kerry Docks New Yacht In RI, Saves Taxes >>>>>>>>> (7/24/2010) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Senator John Kerry found himself answering questions Monday about >>>>>>>>> his new >>>>>>>>> $7 million yacht and the controversy about where he's docking it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "There's nothing more to say about it," he told reporters at an >>>>>>>>> event at >>>>>>>>> the former South Weymouth Naval Air Station Monday. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The "Isabel" is docked in Rhode Island rather than at Kerry's >>>>>>>>> summer home >>>>>>>>> on Nantucket or in Boston Harbor. That means he avoids paying >>>>>>>>> nearly $500,000 in taxes to Massachusetts and he doesn't have to >>>>>>>>> pay a $70,000-a-year excise tax. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Smart move. That's how you get rich or stay rich. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fine and well, if you're not in the practice of telling other >>>>>>> people they >>>>>>> have to pay their taxes. Remember when Kerry was running against >>>>>>> Bush? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How quickly we forget...but some of us *don't* . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> OK. Let's clarify something. You feel that everyone should pay their >>>>>> fair share of taxes, right? >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not asking whether you LIKE taxes, or whether they're too high, >>>>>> low, or >>>>>> anything else. >>>>>> >>>>>> You feel that everyone should pay their fair share of taxes, right? >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes? >>>>> >>>>> <Sniff...sniff...> WHat do you consider "fair share", and where is >>>>> this going? >>>> >>>> >>>> "Fair share" means whatever is the legal requirement at the moment. >>>> You meant to say YES but you were afraid to. >>>> >>>> Now I will show you that you're no different than Kerry. Your band >>>> somehow hits the big time, playing high-priced weddings, outdoor >>>> festivals and corporate events. You need $10,000.00 worth of PA >>>> equipment. You find a dealer across the state line where sales tax >>>> (hypothetically speaking) is 3% lower than where you live and the base >>>> price is identical to the dealer in your state. It's a 15 minute drive >>>> to save $300.00. >>>> >>>> I know what you'd do. You'd make the 15 minute drive to avoid paying >>>> more tax. Don't tell me otherwise. You're just like Kerry. >>> >>> Not quite, he isn't getting up on a podium and telling everyone else to >>> pay their taxes. >>> >> >> >> This is the Hack's podium, and by saying that Kerry should not be an >> exception, he made it clear that EVERYONE should pay their taxes. > > I made no such inference. The only thing I alluded to was that during his > campaign Kerry said something like "everyone should be a good citizen and > pay their taxes", and then tried to screw the state out of their taxes > from him. > > What do they call it? Limosine Liberalism? I don't know what they call it. For the same tax avoidance, you'd get the same label. What label are you comfortable with, since it would also be applied to you.
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 28 Jul 2010 08:26 "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:4c4f87d0$0$74748$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... > On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:06:56 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >> Passing legislation is not the same as preaching. > > ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > This has to go down in Usenet history aws the dumbest thing you have ever > said. What if a politician voted YES on a bill which ***REDUCED*** taxes. Is that also equivalent to preaching?
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 28 Jul 2010 08:27 "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:4c4f86c7$0$74748$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... > On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:07:28 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: > >> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >> news:4c4ee3f0$0$74748$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:13:29 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>> >>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>> news:4c4e4e8d$0$74751$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 22:58:46 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>> But if you couldn't get the price down, you would ABSOLUTELY drive >>>>>>>> across >>>>>>>> state lines to save the tax money. I know you would. You know you >>>>>>>> would. >>>>>>>> You're a lousy dancer. Stop trying. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah. But I also never tell anyone they need to pay their taxes, >>>>>>> either. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In a way, you did. You danced around saying that you believed >>>>>> everyone >>>>>> needed to pay their fair share >>>>> >>>>> Better check what Kerry said when he was running for Pres. He's the >>>>> one >>>>> who said it, not me. I don't give a flying leap whether he pays it or >>>>> not. >>>>> That doesn't make me the hypocrite. >>>> >>>> >>>> What did he say about this subject, EXACTLY? You sound very sure of >>>> it, >>>> so >>>> I assume you have a link to a source. Without a source, it's unlikely >>>> you >>>> have an accurate memory of what he said. >>> >>> I have a real good memory of what he said, since Howie Carr from WRKO >>> brought it up almost every day for about 3 months. >> >> >> What did he say? This answer is not allowed: "He said everyone should pay >> their taxes." >> >> It MUST be at least a bit more complex than that. > > Google is your friend. You've tried this stunt before. You already have the link which you want me to search for. Show the link.
From: JohnJohnsn on 28 Jul 2010 09:38 On Jul 27, 4:43 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: > "RD Sandman" <rdsandman(a)comcast[remove].net> wrote in message > news:Xns9DC294CA7ED45hopewell(a)216.196.97.130... > >> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in >> news:2bI3o.31998$OU6.10260(a)newsfe20.iad: > >>> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman(a)comcast[remove].net> wrote in message >>> news:Xns9DC28F65A53D9hopewell(a)216.196.97.130... > >>>>> FWIW, I don't like the man's politics, but don't have a problem with >>>>> what he did, it's legal. > >>>> I really don't either, but I don't like him telling everyone else to >>>> pay all their taxes and not try to dodge them. > >>> Did Kerry *actually* preach about that, or are you just getting swept >>> along in the OP's "evidence"? Kerry may have preached about it, or he >>> may not have preached about it. The OP has yet to show any evidence, >>> but he swears he has very clear memories of the preaching. > >> Joe, the man is a member of the tax and spend party. The republicans are >> the spend party. Do you think that Kerry voted for programs that were to >> be covered by taxes thinking that most people would not pay them? As to >> whether he physically stood on a soap box and preached that, I don't >> think so. He did, however, plan on everyone doing it. > >> Now, that aside, I don't have a problem with what he did. I would have >> done the same, had I the money to buy the yacht. However, I am not in >> Congress passing legislation that requires everyone to pay their taxes. >> I am not like Charlie Rangel who fails to claim rental monies, or Timothy >> Geightner who couldn't understand Turbotax but leads the Treasury. > > So, in answer to my question about preaching, you said NO. Thank you very > much. > > Next question: "Read my lips - NO NEW TAXES!" Did you also have a problem > with the person who uttered those words when his utterance turned out to be > false? "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." --Saint Bernard of Clairvaux "Read my lips: no new taxes" is a now-famous phrase spoken by then presidential candidate George H. W. Bush at the 1988 Republican National Convention as he accepted the nomination on August 18. Written by speechwriter Peggy Noonan, the line was one of the most prominent sound bites from the speech. The pledge not to tax the American people further had been a consistent part of Bush's 1988 election platform, but its prominent inclusion in his speech cemented it in the public consciousness. The impact of the election promise was considerable, and many supporters of Bush believe it helped Bush win the 1988 presidential election. Once he became president, however, Bush raised taxes as a way to reduce the national budget deficit. Bush refused many times but was making no progress with a Senate and House that was controlled by Democrats. Bush eventually agreed to a compromise with Congressional Democrats to raise several taxes as part of a 1990 budget agreement. This reversal caused great controversy, especially in the more conservative wing of the Republican Party. Although technically there were no new taxes in this agreement, Bush in the same speech also ruled out raising existing taxes. In the 1992 presidential election campaign, Pat Buchanan made extensive use of the phrase in his strong challenge to Bush in the Republican primaries. In the election itself, Democratic nominee Bill Clinton, running as a moderate, also pointed to the quotation as evidence of Bush's untrustworthiness, which contributed to Bush's losing his bid for re-election. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read_my_lips:_no_new_taxes> "Bush refused many times but was making no progress with a Senate and House that was controlled by Democrats." Funny how the LIEberal Socialist DIMocRATS seem to forget this part.
From: JohnJohnsn on 28 Jul 2010 09:40
On Jul 28, 7:26 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: > "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message > news:4c4f87d0$0$74748$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... > >> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:06:56 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: > >>> Passing legislation is not the same as preaching. > >> ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >> This has to go down in Usenet history aws the dumbest thing you >> have ever said. > > What if a politician voted YES on a bill which ***REDUCED*** taxes. > Is that also equivalent to preaching? Yes. |