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From: Scout on 26 Jul 2010 22:08 JoeSpareBedroom wrote: > "Scout" <me4guns(a)verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > news:i2le0q$cn4$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>> news:4c4e3126$0$74763$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:30:29 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>> news:4c4e0dc6$0$74751$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:08:11 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:4c4df87e$0$74749$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>>>>>> John Kerry wants YOU to pay your taxes, but... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (PS, it could have been built in Mass or NH and employed local >>>>>>>> people...) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BOSTON (WBZ) ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Kerry Docks New Yacht In RI, Saves Taxes >>>>>>>> (7/24/2010) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Senator John Kerry found himself answering questions Monday >>>>>>>> about his new >>>>>>>> $7 million yacht and the controversy about where he's docking >>>>>>>> it. "There's nothing more to say about it," he told reporters at an >>>>>>>> event at >>>>>>>> the former South Weymouth Naval Air Station Monday. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The "Isabel" is docked in Rhode Island rather than at Kerry's >>>>>>>> summer home >>>>>>>> on Nantucket or in Boston Harbor. That means he avoids paying >>>>>>>> nearly $500,000 in taxes to Massachusetts and he doesn't have >>>>>>>> to pay a $70,000-a-year excise tax. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Smart move. That's how you get rich or stay rich. >>>>>> >>>>>> Fine and well, if you're not in the practice of telling other >>>>>> people they >>>>>> have to pay their taxes. Remember when Kerry was running against >>>>>> Bush? How quickly we forget...but some of us *don't* . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> OK. Let's clarify something. You feel that everyone should pay >>>>> their fair share of taxes, right? >>>>> >>>>> I'm not asking whether you LIKE taxes, or whether they're too >>>>> high, low, or >>>>> anything else. >>>>> >>>>> You feel that everyone should pay their fair share of taxes, >>>>> right? Yes? >>>> >>>> <Sniff...sniff...> WHat do you consider "fair share", and where is >>>> this going? >>> >>> >>> "Fair share" means whatever is the legal requirement at the moment. >> >> Ah, so if we set the tax rate for the very rich at 98%, then that's >> their "fair share".... >> >> Seems rather......arbitrary. > > > For purposes of this discussion, it doesn't matter WHAT the rate is. > All that matters is the 3% difference 15 minutes away. If you want to > debate what absolute number is "fair", start another thread. Ah, but the numbers must be fair if they are to pay their fair share. Fairness is inherent within the concept of "fair share" and as such any numbers denoting what is fair are certainly part of that concept. To suggest that fair is anything and everything set forth in the law is not only naive, but delusional. So, yes, lets talk about what absolute number is fair because your assertion of what defines a "fair share" is anything but.
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 26 Jul 2010 22:12 "Scout" <me4guns(a)verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:i2lf2o$knf$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >> "Scout" <me4guns(a)verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message >> news:i2le0q$cn4$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>> news:4c4e3126$0$74763$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:30:29 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>>> news:4c4e0dc6$0$74751$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:08:11 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:4c4df87e$0$74749$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>>>>>>> John Kerry wants YOU to pay your taxes, but... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (PS, it could have been built in Mass or NH and employed local >>>>>>>>> people...) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> BOSTON (WBZ) ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * Kerry Docks New Yacht In RI, Saves Taxes >>>>>>>>> (7/24/2010) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Senator John Kerry found himself answering questions Monday >>>>>>>>> about his new >>>>>>>>> $7 million yacht and the controversy about where he's docking >>>>>>>>> it. "There's nothing more to say about it," he told reporters at >>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>> event at >>>>>>>>> the former South Weymouth Naval Air Station Monday. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The "Isabel" is docked in Rhode Island rather than at Kerry's >>>>>>>>> summer home >>>>>>>>> on Nantucket or in Boston Harbor. That means he avoids paying >>>>>>>>> nearly $500,000 in taxes to Massachusetts and he doesn't have >>>>>>>>> to pay a $70,000-a-year excise tax. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Smart move. That's how you get rich or stay rich. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fine and well, if you're not in the practice of telling other >>>>>>> people they >>>>>>> have to pay their taxes. Remember when Kerry was running against >>>>>>> Bush? How quickly we forget...but some of us *don't* . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> OK. Let's clarify something. You feel that everyone should pay >>>>>> their fair share of taxes, right? >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not asking whether you LIKE taxes, or whether they're too >>>>>> high, low, or >>>>>> anything else. >>>>>> >>>>>> You feel that everyone should pay their fair share of taxes, >>>>>> right? Yes? >>>>> >>>>> <Sniff...sniff...> WHat do you consider "fair share", and where is >>>>> this going? >>>> >>>> >>>> "Fair share" means whatever is the legal requirement at the moment. >>> >>> Ah, so if we set the tax rate for the very rich at 98%, then that's >>> their "fair share".... >>> >>> Seems rather......arbitrary. >> >> >> For purposes of this discussion, it doesn't matter WHAT the rate is. >> All that matters is the 3% difference 15 minutes away. If you want to >> debate what absolute number is "fair", start another thread. > > Ah, but the numbers must be fair if they are to pay their fair share. > Fairness is inherent within the concept of "fair share" and as such any > numbers denoting what is fair are certainly part of that concept. To > suggest that fair is anything and everything set forth in the law is not > only naive, but delusional. > > So, yes, lets talk about what absolute number is fair because your > assertion of what defines a "fair share" is anything but. > You have a listening problem. Get back in your hole.
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 26 Jul 2010 22:13 "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:4c4e3e22$0$74748$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... > On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:18:06 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: > >> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >> news:4c4e3126$0$74763$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:30:29 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>> >>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>> news:4c4e0dc6$0$74751$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:08:11 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>>> news:4c4df87e$0$74749$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>>>>> John Kerry wants YOU to pay your taxes, but... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (PS, it could have been built in Mass or NH and employed local >>>>>>> people...) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BOSTON (WBZ) ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Kerry Docks New Yacht In RI, Saves Taxes >>>>>>> (7/24/2010) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Senator John Kerry found himself answering questions Monday about >>>>>>> his >>>>>>> new >>>>>>> $7 million yacht and the controversy about where he's docking it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "There's nothing more to say about it," he told reporters at an >>>>>>> event >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> the former South Weymouth Naval Air Station Monday. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The "Isabel" is docked in Rhode Island rather than at Kerry's summer >>>>>>> home >>>>>>> on Nantucket or in Boston Harbor. That means he avoids paying nearly >>>>>>> $500,000 in taxes to Massachusetts and he doesn't have to pay a >>>>>>> $70,000-a-year excise tax. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Smart move. That's how you get rich or stay rich. >>>>> >>>>> Fine and well, if you're not in the practice of telling other people >>>>> they >>>>> have to pay their taxes. Remember when Kerry was running against Bush? >>>>> >>>>> How quickly we forget...but some of us *don't* . >>>> >>>> >>>> OK. Let's clarify something. You feel that everyone should pay their >>>> fair >>>> share of taxes, right? >>>> >>>> I'm not asking whether you LIKE taxes, or whether they're too high, >>>> low, >>>> or >>>> anything else. >>>> >>>> You feel that everyone should pay their fair share of taxes, right? >>>> >>>> Yes? >>> >>> <Sniff...sniff...> WHat do you consider "fair share", and where is this >>> going? >> >> >> "Fair share" means whatever is the legal requirement at the moment. You >> meant to say YES but you were afraid to. >> >> Now I will show you that you're no different than Kerry. Your band >> somehow >> hits the big time, playing high-priced weddings, outdoor festivals and >> corporate events. You need $10,000.00 worth of PA equipment. You find a >> dealer across the state line where sales tax (hypothetically speaking) is >> 3% >> lower than where you live and the base price is identical to the dealer >> in >> your state. It's a 15 minute drive to save $300.00. >> >> I know what you'd do. You'd make the 15 minute drive to avoid paying more >> tax. Don't tell me otherwise. You're just like Kerry. > > We get all our stuff from a place in state. We can beat them down enough > to beat the tax, and still pay it. > > And that would be $650 in taxes, and we'd still be able to get the price > down enough. But if you couldn't get the price down, you would ABSOLUTELY drive across state lines to save the tax money. I know you would. You know you would. You're a lousy dancer. Stop trying.
From: Scout on 26 Jul 2010 22:17 Hachiroku ???? wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:50:17 -0400, Scout wrote: > >> JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>> news:4c4e3126$0$74763$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:30:29 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>> news:4c4e0dc6$0$74751$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:08:11 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:4c4df87e$0$74749$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>>>>>> John Kerry wants YOU to pay your taxes, but... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (PS, it could have been built in Mass or NH and employed local >>>>>>>> people...) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BOSTON (WBZ) ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Kerry Docks New Yacht In RI, Saves Taxes >>>>>>>> (7/24/2010) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Senator John Kerry found himself answering questions Monday >>>>>>>> about his new >>>>>>>> $7 million yacht and the controversy about where he's docking >>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "There's nothing more to say about it," he told reporters at an >>>>>>>> event at >>>>>>>> the former South Weymouth Naval Air Station Monday. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The "Isabel" is docked in Rhode Island rather than at Kerry's >>>>>>>> summer home >>>>>>>> on Nantucket or in Boston Harbor. That means he avoids paying >>>>>>>> nearly $500,000 in taxes to Massachusetts and he doesn't have >>>>>>>> to pay a $70,000-a-year excise tax. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Smart move. That's how you get rich or stay rich. >>>>>> >>>>>> Fine and well, if you're not in the practice of telling other >>>>>> people they >>>>>> have to pay their taxes. Remember when Kerry was running against >>>>>> Bush? How quickly we forget...but some of us *don't* . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> OK. Let's clarify something. You feel that everyone should pay >>>>> their fair share of taxes, right? >>>>> >>>>> I'm not asking whether you LIKE taxes, or whether they're too >>>>> high, low, or >>>>> anything else. >>>>> >>>>> You feel that everyone should pay their fair share of taxes, >>>>> right? >>>>> >>>>> Yes? >>>> >>>> <Sniff...sniff...> WHat do you consider "fair share", and where is >>>> this going? >>> >>> >>> "Fair share" means whatever is the legal requirement at the moment. >> >> Ah, so if we set the tax rate for the very rich at 98%, then that's >> their "fair share".... >> >> Seems rather......arbitrary. > > What gets me is the Democrat Congress has raised one tax or another > every month since Obungler was elected. Hey, why not? THEY don't pay > their taxes! Just wait for next years budget proposal which also includes a proposal for the largest single tax hike in US history. Oh, and while we're on the subject of budgets, I recalled something the other say, and a quick bit of research confirms my memory. People have been sayinig the current deficits are all the fault of Bush because we are still operating under the Bush budget....well that's not totally true. A significant portion of the budget wasn't passed until Obama came to office and he signed it as the 2010 omnibus appropriations bill. A $1.1 Trillion dollar spending budget. Since the total budget in 2010 was $3.8 Trillion, looks like Obama is responsible for about 1/3 of it, and it's related deficit. Oh, and let's not forget that omnibus bill was loaded with pork..... > Rangler, Kerry and Geitner...the Three Stooges of Tax Evasion. > > Pelosi doesn't have to worry about paying taxes for air travel...you > can't pay a tax on NOTHING!
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 26 Jul 2010 22:30
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 22:13:45 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: > "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message > news:4c4e3e22$0$74748$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:18:06 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >> >>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>> news:4c4e3126$0$74763$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:30:29 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>> news:4c4e0dc6$0$74751$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:08:11 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:4c4df87e$0$74749$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>>>>>> John Kerry wants YOU to pay your taxes, but... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (PS, it could have been built in Mass or NH and employed local >>>>>>>> people...) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BOSTON (WBZ) ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Kerry Docks New Yacht In RI, Saves Taxes >>>>>>>> (7/24/2010) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Senator John Kerry found himself answering questions Monday about >>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>> $7 million yacht and the controversy about where he's docking it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "There's nothing more to say about it," he told reporters at an >>>>>>>> event >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> the former South Weymouth Naval Air Station Monday. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The "Isabel" is docked in Rhode Island rather than at Kerry's summer >>>>>>>> home >>>>>>>> on Nantucket or in Boston Harbor. That means he avoids paying nearly >>>>>>>> $500,000 in taxes to Massachusetts and he doesn't have to pay a >>>>>>>> $70,000-a-year excise tax. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Smart move. That's how you get rich or stay rich. >>>>>> >>>>>> Fine and well, if you're not in the practice of telling other people >>>>>> they >>>>>> have to pay their taxes. Remember when Kerry was running against Bush? >>>>>> >>>>>> How quickly we forget...but some of us *don't* . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> OK. Let's clarify something. You feel that everyone should pay their >>>>> fair >>>>> share of taxes, right? >>>>> >>>>> I'm not asking whether you LIKE taxes, or whether they're too high, >>>>> low, >>>>> or >>>>> anything else. >>>>> >>>>> You feel that everyone should pay their fair share of taxes, right? >>>>> >>>>> Yes? >>>> >>>> <Sniff...sniff...> WHat do you consider "fair share", and where is this >>>> going? >>> >>> >>> "Fair share" means whatever is the legal requirement at the moment. You >>> meant to say YES but you were afraid to. >>> >>> Now I will show you that you're no different than Kerry. Your band >>> somehow >>> hits the big time, playing high-priced weddings, outdoor festivals and >>> corporate events. You need $10,000.00 worth of PA equipment. You find a >>> dealer across the state line where sales tax (hypothetically speaking) is >>> 3% >>> lower than where you live and the base price is identical to the dealer >>> in >>> your state. It's a 15 minute drive to save $300.00. >>> >>> I know what you'd do. You'd make the 15 minute drive to avoid paying more >>> tax. Don't tell me otherwise. You're just like Kerry. >> >> We get all our stuff from a place in state. We can beat them down enough >> to beat the tax, and still pay it. >> >> And that would be $650 in taxes, and we'd still be able to get the price >> down enough. > > > But if you couldn't get the price down, you would ABSOLUTELY drive across > state lines to save the tax money. I know you would. You know you would. > You're a lousy dancer. Stop trying. Yeah. But I also never tell anyone they need to pay their taxes, either. |