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From: CharlesGrozny on 28 Jul 2010 15:07 "Beam Me Up Scotty" <Then-Destroy-Everything(a)Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote in message news:4C5068E4.9030006(a)Blackhole.NebulaX.com... > On 7/28/2010 12:54 PM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >> "Beam Me Up Scotty" <Then-Destroy-Everything(a)Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote >> in >> message news:4C505C91.6030600(a)Blackhole.NebulaX.com... >>> On 7/28/2010 8:26 AM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>> news:4c4f87d0$0$74748$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:06:56 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Passing legislation is not the same as preaching. >>>>> >>>>> ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>>> >>>>> This has to go down in Usenet history aws the dumbest thing you have >>>>> ever >>>>> said. >>>> >>>> >>>> What if a politician voted YES on a bill which ***REDUCED*** taxes. Is >>>> that >>>> also equivalent to preaching? >>>> >>>> >>> Has that ever happened in your life time????????? >> >> >> Aren't Bush's tax cuts coming up for discussion? Somebody voted on them >> before they were official. Or did they come out of a box of cereal? >> http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p510.pdf > > > That shifted taxes and it was temporary.... funny that you compared it > to a box of cereal, that is an apt analogy, they lowered the price for a > few years and raised the price of the other types of cereal under that > brand(Federal). Meanwhile they made up the the lost income and now the > price will go back to it's original amount and the other cereal is still > at a higher cost.... raise One, then raise the other, then back to > raise the one and then back to the other? > > > It was a shell game and taxes were shifted and not reduced. > > > http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p510.pdf > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cereal is also an apt analogy for Joe, he ate the whole bowl of stupid. Charles Grozny
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 28 Jul 2010 16:35 On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:27:14 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: > "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message > news:4c4f86c7$0$74748$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:07:28 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >> >>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>> news:4c4ee3f0$0$74748$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:13:29 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>> news:4c4e4e8d$0$74751$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 22:58:46 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But if you couldn't get the price down, you would ABSOLUTELY drive >>>>>>>>> across >>>>>>>>> state lines to save the tax money. I know you would. You know you >>>>>>>>> would. >>>>>>>>> You're a lousy dancer. Stop trying. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yeah. But I also never tell anyone they need to pay their taxes, >>>>>>>> either. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In a way, you did. You danced around saying that you believed >>>>>>> everyone >>>>>>> needed to pay their fair share >>>>>> >>>>>> Better check what Kerry said when he was running for Pres. He's the >>>>>> one >>>>>> who said it, not me. I don't give a flying leap whether he pays it or >>>>>> not. >>>>>> That doesn't make me the hypocrite. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What did he say about this subject, EXACTLY? You sound very sure of >>>>> it, >>>>> so >>>>> I assume you have a link to a source. Without a source, it's unlikely >>>>> you >>>>> have an accurate memory of what he said. >>>> >>>> I have a real good memory of what he said, since Howie Carr from WRKO >>>> brought it up almost every day for about 3 months. >>> >>> >>> What did he say? This answer is not allowed: "He said everyone should pay >>> their taxes." >>> >>> It MUST be at least a bit more complex than that. >> >> Google is your friend. > > > You've tried this stunt before. You already have the link which you want me > to search for. Show the link. Nope. I don't. Howie Carr ranted about it for WEEKS! Where the hell were you? They didn't report it in the NYT or Rolling Stone?
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 28 Jul 2010 16:37 "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:4c5094c9$0$74751$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:27:14 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: > >> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >> news:4c4f86c7$0$74748$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:07:28 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>> >>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>> news:4c4ee3f0$0$74748$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:13:29 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>>> news:4c4e4e8d$0$74751$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 22:58:46 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But if you couldn't get the price down, you would ABSOLUTELY >>>>>>>>>> drive >>>>>>>>>> across >>>>>>>>>> state lines to save the tax money. I know you would. You know you >>>>>>>>>> would. >>>>>>>>>> You're a lousy dancer. Stop trying. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yeah. But I also never tell anyone they need to pay their taxes, >>>>>>>>> either. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In a way, you did. You danced around saying that you believed >>>>>>>> everyone >>>>>>>> needed to pay their fair share >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Better check what Kerry said when he was running for Pres. He's the >>>>>>> one >>>>>>> who said it, not me. I don't give a flying leap whether he pays it >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> not. >>>>>>> That doesn't make me the hypocrite. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What did he say about this subject, EXACTLY? You sound very sure of >>>>>> it, >>>>>> so >>>>>> I assume you have a link to a source. Without a source, it's unlikely >>>>>> you >>>>>> have an accurate memory of what he said. >>>>> >>>>> I have a real good memory of what he said, since Howie Carr from WRKO >>>>> brought it up almost every day for about 3 months. >>>> >>>> >>>> What did he say? This answer is not allowed: "He said everyone should >>>> pay >>>> their taxes." >>>> >>>> It MUST be at least a bit more complex than that. >>> >>> Google is your friend. >> >> >> You've tried this stunt before. You already have the link which you want >> me >> to search for. Show the link. > > Nope. I don't. Howie Carr ranted about it for WEEKS! Where the hell were > you? Only idiots pay attention to Howie Carr. Go find a reliable source and present it here. If you don't do that, you are lying about what you heard.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 28 Jul 2010 16:38 On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:38:47 -0700, JohnJohnsn wrote: > On Jul 27, 4:43 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net> > wrote: > >> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman(a)comcast[remove].net> wrote in message >> news:Xns9DC294CA7ED45hopewell(a)216.196.97.130... >> >>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in >>> news:2bI3o.31998$OU6.10260(a)newsfe20.iad: >> >>>> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman(a)comcast[remove].net> wrote in message >>>> news:Xns9DC28F65A53D9hopewell(a)216.196.97.130... >> >>>>>> FWIW, I don't like the man's politics, but don't have a problem with >>>>>> what he did, it's legal. >> >>>>> I really don't either, but I don't like him telling everyone else to >>>>> pay all their taxes and not try to dodge them. >> >>>> Did Kerry *actually* preach about that, or are you just getting swept >>>> along in the OP's "evidence"? Kerry may have preached about it, or he >>>> may not have preached about it. The OP has yet to show any evidence, >>>> but he swears he has very clear memories of the preaching. >> >>> Joe, the man is a member of the tax and spend party. The republicans are >>> the spend party. Do you think that Kerry voted for programs that were to >>> be covered by taxes thinking that most people would not pay them? As to >>> whether he physically stood on a soap box and preached that, I don't >>> think so. He did, however, plan on everyone doing it. >> >>> Now, that aside, I don't have a problem with what he did. I would have >>> done the same, had I the money to buy the yacht. However, I am not in >>> Congress passing legislation that requires everyone to pay their taxes. >>> I am not like Charlie Rangel who fails to claim rental monies, or Timothy >>> Geightner who couldn't understand Turbotax but leads the Treasury. >> >> So, in answer to my question about preaching, you said NO. Thank you very >> much. >> >> Next question: "Read my lips - NO NEW TAXES!" Did you also have a problem >> with the person who uttered those words when his utterance turned out to be >> false? > > "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." > --Saint Bernard of Clairvaux > > "Read my lips: no new taxes" is a now-famous phrase spoken by then > presidential candidate George H. W. Bush at the 1988 Republican > National Convention as he accepted the nomination on August 18. > Written by speechwriter Peggy Noonan, the line was one of the most > prominent sound bites from the speech. The pledge not to tax the > American people further had been a consistent part of Bush's 1988 > election platform, but its prominent inclusion in his speech cemented > it in the public consciousness. The impact of the election promise was > considerable, and many supporters of Bush believe it helped Bush win > the 1988 presidential election. > > Once he became president, however, Bush raised taxes as a way to > reduce the national budget deficit. Bush refused many times but was > making no progress with a Senate and House that was controlled by > Democrats. Bush eventually agreed to a compromise with Congressional > Democrats to raise several taxes as part of a 1990 budget agreement. > This reversal caused great controversy, especially in the more > conservative wing of the Republican Party. Although technically there > were no new taxes in this agreement, Bush in the same speech also > ruled out raising existing taxes. In the 1992 presidential election > campaign, Pat Buchanan made extensive use of the phrase in his strong > challenge to Bush in the Republican primaries. In the election itself, > Democratic nominee Bill Clinton, running as a moderate, also pointed > to the quotation as evidence of Bush's untrustworthiness, which > contributed to Bush's losing his bid for re-election. > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read_my_lips:_no_new_taxes> > > "Bush refused many times but was making no progress with a Senate and > House that was controlled by Democrats." > > Funny how the LIEberal Socialist DIMocRATS seem to forget this part. Presidents can't raise taxes, only Congress has the power to inflict or alter taxes. Most people tend to forget this. Obama has ASKED Congress to look into new tax 'opportunities'. I don't believe Bush did that; and IIRC, Bush was trying to get Congress to pass something and they held him over a barrel until he signed the new tax bill. Then, IIRC they SCHTUPPED him and totally ignored his requested action. Gotta love Democrats.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 28 Jul 2010 16:40
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:54:39 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: > "Beam Me Up Scotty" <Then-Destroy-Everything(a)Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote in > message news:4C505C91.6030600(a)Blackhole.NebulaX.com... >> On 7/28/2010 8:26 AM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>> news:4c4f87d0$0$74748$afc38c87(a)read01.usenet4all.se... >>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:06:56 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>> >>>>> Passing legislation is not the same as preaching. >>>> >>>> ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>> >>>> This has to go down in Usenet history aws the dumbest thing you have >>>> ever >>>> said. >>> >>> >>> What if a politician voted YES on a bill which ***REDUCED*** taxes. Is >>> that >>> also equivalent to preaching? >>> >>> >> Has that ever happened in your life time????????? > > > Aren't Bush's tax cuts coming up for discussion? Somebody voted on them > before they were official. Or did they come out of a box of cereal? They will be repealed. Only an idiot raises taxes in a recession, and an idiot is what is occupying 1600 Penn Ave right now. Oh, yeah. The President doesn't raise taxes. But he can request that Congress raise or lower taxes. He won't. |