Bias Against Domestic Cars
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From: Mike Hunter on 22 Nov 2009 18:17 You should have know better than to buy an import ;) "Ed Pawlowski" <esp(a)snet.net> wrote in message news:nIGdnRSpQL__s5TWnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > > "Derek Gee" <dgeeSPAMSUCKS(a)twmi.INVALID.rr.com> wrote in message >> >> I tend to believe the Power survey due to the better methodology, plus I >> have two first hand owner reports of failures (disabled) of Scion models. > > > The problem with Powers is they rate "initial quality" I happen to own a > car rated very high by them for initial quality and they were correct; I > was very pleased with it for a while. Just about the time the warranty > ran out (at 18 months I had 36000 miles) the car started to deteriorate > and has been falling apart ever since. Lots of little things like > switches that don't work as well as big things like the transmission. > Initial quality does not equal durability. >
From: Mike Hunter on 22 Nov 2009 18:39 Particularly now that many of the domestic are doing better than some of the foreign cars today ;) "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message news:4b092a9d$0$1994$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... > larry moe 'n curly wrote: >> >> C. E. White wrote: >>> I came across what I consider another case of bias against domesic >>> vehicles. See: >>> >>> http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/11/clunker-cars-repairs-lifestyle-vehicles-clunkers_slide_2.html >>> >>> Supposedly the Forbes editiors picked these vehicle based on COnsumer >>> Reports data. I looked up the CR data and here are my comments: >> >> So why hasn't CR shown any bias when they've tested American and >> Japanese twins, like the Toyota Matrix and Pontiac Vibe or the Toyota >> Corolla and Geo Prizm? > > Because there's never been even the slightest bit of bias shown in > Consumer Reports' reviews. These complaints have always been sour grapes.
From: clare on 22 Nov 2009 21:37 On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:17:14 -0500, "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote: >You should have know better than to buy an import ;) > > >"Ed Pawlowski" <esp(a)snet.net> wrote in message >news:nIGdnRSpQL__s5TWnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> >> "Derek Gee" <dgeeSPAMSUCKS(a)twmi.INVALID.rr.com> wrote in message >>> >>> I tend to believe the Power survey due to the better methodology, plus I >>> have two first hand owner reports of failures (disabled) of Scion models. >> >> >> The problem with Powers is they rate "initial quality" I happen to own a >> car rated very high by them for initial quality and they were correct; I >> was very pleased with it for a while. Just about the time the warranty >> ran out (at 18 months I had 36000 miles) the car started to deteriorate >> and has been falling apart ever since. Lots of little things like >> switches that don't work as well as big things like the transmission. >> Initial quality does not equal durability. >> > Sounds a whole lot like my Mystique. Love the car, but reliability is NOT it's strong suit - mostly nickel and dime stuff since I do most of my own repairs, but irritating at best. Being the high end V6 with all the toys, it is NOT easy to work on either. Something about it's mixed heritage I guess.
From: Ed Pawlowski on 22 Nov 2009 21:52 "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message news:4b09c67c$0$22020$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... > You should have know better than to buy an import ;) > > Right, the Buick was imported from Canada
From: Derek Gee on 22 Nov 2009 22:04
"Ed Pawlowski" <esp(a)snet.net> wrote in message news:nIGdnRSpQL__s5TWnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > > "Derek Gee" <dgeeSPAMSUCKS(a)twmi.INVALID.rr.com> wrote in message >> >> I tend to believe the Power survey due to the better methodology, plus I >> have two first hand owner reports of failures (disabled) of Scion models. > > > The problem with Powers is they rate "initial quality" I happen to own a > car rated very high by them for initial quality and they were correct; I > was very pleased with it for a while. Just about the time the warranty > ran out (at 18 months I had 36000 miles) the car started to deteriorate > and has been falling apart ever since. Lots of little things like > switches that don't work as well as big things like the transmission. > Initial quality does not equal durability. No, Powers has TWO different studies, the IQS (Initial Quality Study), and VDS (Vehicle Dependability Study). I pretty much ignore all of the IQS surveys as most of the automakers are within a couple of defects per 100 vehicles of each other. It's the VDS that's the important one. Here's a link to the 2009 study, go check it out... http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pdf/2009043.pdf Derek |