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From: Mike Hunter on 29 Nov 2009 11:42 Our friend dr_jeff must be correct, everything in Wikipedia is always right on the money. "dr_jeff" <putz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message news:tbudnbGQoK2c-Y_WnZ2dnUVZ_tBi4p2d(a)giganews.com... > PerfectReign wrote: >> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:09:01 -0800, SMS fired up the etcha-a-sketch and >> scratched out: >> >>>> Saturn vehicles are unreliable? >>> Look at the J.D. Power long term dependability results if you don't >>> believe Consumer Reports. >> >> I just know that my wife's five-year-old Vue has had zero issues. Sure it >> is small and very compact, but it has been reliable. > > Is that the one with the Honda V6 and Honda transmission in it? GM used a > Honda engine from 2004 to 2007 model years, according Wikipedia.
From: dr_jeff on 29 Nov 2009 11:52 Mike Hunter wrote: > Our friend dr_jeff must be correct, everything in Wikipedia is always right > on the money. First, please don't insult me and call me your friend. Second, not everything in any source is always correct. Even I have been known to be wrong. Wikipedia often has good information, but not always. Jeff > "dr_jeff" <putz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message > news:tbudnbGQoK2c-Y_WnZ2dnUVZ_tBi4p2d(a)giganews.com... >> PerfectReign wrote: >>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:09:01 -0800, SMS fired up the etcha-a-sketch and >>> scratched out: >>> >>>>> Saturn vehicles are unreliable? >>>> Look at the J.D. Power long term dependability results if you don't >>>> believe Consumer Reports. >>> I just know that my wife's five-year-old Vue has had zero issues. Sure it >>> is small and very compact, but it has been reliable. >> Is that the one with the Honda V6 and Honda transmission in it? GM used a >> Honda engine from 2004 to 2007 model years, according Wikipedia. > >
From: SMS on 29 Nov 2009 22:28 dr_jeff wrote: > PerfectReign wrote: >> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:09:01 -0800, SMS fired up the etcha-a-sketch and >> scratched out: >> >>>> Saturn vehicles are unreliable? >>> Look at the J.D. Power long term dependability results if you don't >>> believe Consumer Reports. >> >> I just know that my wife's five-year-old Vue has had zero issues. >> Sure it is small and very compact, but it has been reliable. > > Is that the one with the Honda V6 and Honda transmission in it? GM used > a Honda engine from 2004 to 2007 model years, according Wikipedia. The engine is from Honda, not sure about the transmission.
From: PerfectReign on 30 Nov 2009 01:32 On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:28:17 -0800, SMS fired up the etcha-a-sketch and scratched out: >>> I just know that my wife's five-year-old Vue has had zero issues. Sure >>> it is small and very compact, but it has been reliable. >> >> Is that the one with the Honda V6 and Honda transmission in it? GM used >> a Honda engine from 2004 to 2007 model years, according Wikipedia. > > The engine is from Honda, not sure about the transmission. Yes and yes. I'm a bit worried because of the low reputation of these transmissions. However, I have theorized that most people with the Honda V6 transmission who have had issues were driving much heavier cars (the Oddesy minivan). Crossing fingers. -- perfectreign www.perfectreign.com || www.ecmplace.com a turn signal is a statement, not a request
From: caviller on 1 Dec 2009 10:20
On Nov 27, 2:04 pm, cavil...(a)my-deja.com wrote: > On Nov 27, 12:45 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...(a)geemail.com> wrote: > > > cavil...(a)my-deja.com wrote: > Where the amusement comes in is with people that swear by some > magazine (or other media source), except when they discover it doesn't > support some specific agenda. Hypocrites are funny. So, which one is > it? Do you think CR is always unbiased and accurate? Or, do you > think they were wrong to give a good reliability verdict to the Saturn > S-series sedans? It is a tough choice when you're caught in a contradiction like this. Take a stand and make a difficult choice? Ignore it altogether? Or find some cop out response? In the mean time, I still haven't found a scrap of statistical information supporting any of the reliability verdicts or predictions from the April, 2009 issue. Blind faith is a fascinating phenomenon when it comes to survey results. I mean, like you said, CR is a non- profit, independent organization. They don't even accept advertising. On that basis, does it mean you put complete trust into every independent, non-profit organization? Heck, I coordinate an independent, 501c3 non-proft that accepts no advertising. Funny thing is, nowhere in the articles or IRS requirements is any stipulation of being honest, unbiased, or accurate. I guess it's no surprise how a lot of these charities get money, when there are people that put so much blind faith into them because they assume independent and non- profit also means they are completely trustworthy with no potential for typical human motivations like greed. |