{BS} Movement afoot to drop "anchor babies"
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From: Beam Me Up Scotty on 30 Jul 2010 22:29 On 7/30/2010 9:48 PM, Jeff Strickland wrote: > "Beam Me Up Scotty" <Then-Destroy-Everything(a)Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote in > message news:4c537ffd$0$3801$ec3e2dad(a)unlimited.usenetmonster.com... >> On 7/30/2010 9:25 PM, Jeff Strickland wrote: >>> "Wayne" <mygarbagecan(a)verizon.net> wrote in message >>> news:i2vr8n$pne$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> >>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>> news:N7K4o.46425$f_3.10714(a)newsfe17.iad... >>>>> If you're here illegally, and whelp a pup, it's an American Citizen. >>>>> >>>>> I guess with all of the latest negative press and pressure from >>>>> Conservative, Lindsey Graham thinks he's figured out a nice bone to >>>>> throw for appeasement. Now, all of a sudden, he's very irritated by all >>>>> of these anchor babies born here in America and he says: >>>>> >>>> <snip> >>>> Dumbassed idea. And an even dumber idea is that an American born child >>>> of >>>> illegal aliens somehow confers anchor status on the parents. If the >>>> parents get into a deportable situation....deport them and they are free >>>> to take the child with them. >>>> >>> >>> The problem is, the baby is an anchor that lets the parents remain. Hence >>> the term, anchor baby. >>> >> >> Why not send the child home to their parent's country with the >> parent.... Clinton did that to Elian Gonzalez. >> >> http://outsourcenews.net/j-news/content/view/219/126/ >> >> > > > But Elian was not born here. He was enroute with his mother when she Elian was a citizen, we have a standing immigration law that allows all the boat people *from Cuba* to stay here, and it doesn't matter how you became a citizen, just that you are. If Clinton chose to ship a Elian back who's already here legally... then we can do it to others that have parents that will be back in their home country. If it was legal once it is legal 12 million times. > drowned. Elian was not sent home with a parent, his mother died coming here MOM... had she made it would have been here legally. Elian was here Legally. > and he was alone without any parents. His father was in Cuba, and Elian was Any kid who's parents are deported would be here without a parent. The baby can go home to their deported parent or the baby can stay here if the parents don't want the baby. > here with aunts and uncles from his mother's side of the family. Elian was > sent home to a parent, not with a parent. > There is no difference.... any child can be sent "to" their parent in another country. > Anchor babies are born here of illegal immigrant mothers, making it > difficult to deport the mother because the baby is a citizen for no other If the mother is NOT legal, send the mother home. She can take the baby or leave it behind..... > reason that it was born here. The mother, 8+ months pregnant, manages to > crawl under the wire on Sunday at 11:45pm, and the baby is born on Monday at > 12:15am, and it's a citizen because of the 14th Amendment. My point is that Clinton has laid the legal precedence. A baby/Minor child that is here legally, can be sent to a parent that wants it or sent with a parent that is being extradited. --
From: Jeff Strickland on 30 Jul 2010 22:57 "Beam Me Up Scotty" <Then-Destroy-Everything(a)Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote in message news:4C538AA0.6050807(a)Blackhole.NebulaX.com... > On 7/30/2010 9:48 PM, Jeff Strickland wrote: >> "Beam Me Up Scotty" <Then-Destroy-Everything(a)Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote >> in >> message news:4c537ffd$0$3801$ec3e2dad(a)unlimited.usenetmonster.com... >>> On 7/30/2010 9:25 PM, Jeff Strickland wrote: >>>> "Wayne" <mygarbagecan(a)verizon.net> wrote in message >>>> news:i2vr8n$pne$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>> >>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>> news:N7K4o.46425$f_3.10714(a)newsfe17.iad... >>>>>> If you're here illegally, and whelp a pup, it's an American Citizen. >>>>>> >>>>>> I guess with all of the latest negative press and pressure from >>>>>> Conservative, Lindsey Graham thinks he's figured out a nice bone to >>>>>> throw for appeasement. Now, all of a sudden, he's very irritated by >>>>>> all >>>>>> of these anchor babies born here in America and he says: >>>>>> >>>>> <snip> >>>>> Dumbassed idea. And an even dumber idea is that an American born >>>>> child >>>>> of >>>>> illegal aliens somehow confers anchor status on the parents. If the >>>>> parents get into a deportable situation....deport them and they are >>>>> free >>>>> to take the child with them. >>>>> >>>> >>>> The problem is, the baby is an anchor that lets the parents remain. >>>> Hence >>>> the term, anchor baby. >>>> >>> >>> Why not send the child home to their parent's country with the >>> parent.... Clinton did that to Elian Gonzalez. >>> >>> http://outsourcenews.net/j-news/content/view/219/126/ >>> >>> >> >> >> But Elian was not born here. He was enroute with his mother when she > > Elian was a citizen, we have a standing immigration law that allows all > the boat people *from Cuba* to stay here, and it doesn't matter how you > became a citizen, just that you are. > Not true. Elian was not a citizen. Nobody ever claimed he was a citizen. He father claimed paternal rights after his mother drowned at sea, and the mother's relatives here tried to adopt. Paternal rights won the day. That was the only issue. > If Clinton chose to ship a Elian back who's already here legally... > then we can do it to others that have parents that will be back in their > home country. If it was legal once it is legal 12 million times. > That's patenly false. One, Clinton let the father have custody of his child. Two, children born here are US citizens the moment they are born, and can't be deported anywhere. A foreign parent could claim parental rights when the other parent passes away, but the citizenship of the child is not forfeited, the kid simply moves to another country. >> drowned. Elian was not sent home with a parent, his mother died coming >> here > > MOM... had she made it would have been here legally. Elian was here > Legally. > He was not a naturalized citizen, and certainly not a natural born citizen. Elian was sent home to be with his father, who claimed custodianship after Elian's mother died. >> and he was alone without any parents. His father was in Cuba, and Elian >> was > > Any kid who's parents are deported would be here without a parent. The > baby can go home to their deported parent or the baby can stay here if > the parents don't want the baby. > Yes, in theory they could, but the parents are usually allowed to stay with the citizen-child instead of being deported. The citizen-child would be exiled or expelled if he was sent to the parent's home country, and we simply don't exile or expel our citizens. . We never send children away because the parents are illegal immigrants. We usually allow the parents to stay and maintain custodial rights to the child they had here. That's the law. Period. Read the 14th Amendment. It is the amendment that is responsible for the anchor babies, and anchor babies are a very real issue because there is a term for it, we call it anchor baby.
From: Wayne on 31 Jul 2010 11:37 "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:i2vu6k$43o$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "Wayne" <mygarbagecan(a)verizon.net> wrote in message > news:i2vr8n$pne$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >> news:N7K4o.46425$f_3.10714(a)newsfe17.iad... >>> If you're here illegally, and whelp a pup, it's an American Citizen. >>> >>> I guess with all of the latest negative press and pressure from >>> Conservative, Lindsey Graham thinks he's figured out a nice bone to >>> throw for appeasement. Now, all of a sudden, he's very irritated by all >>> of these anchor babies born here in America and he says: >>> >> <snip> >> Dumbassed idea. And an even dumber idea is that an American born child >> of illegal aliens somehow confers anchor status on the parents. If the >> parents get into a deportable situation....deport them and they are free >> to take the child with them. >> > > The problem is, the baby is an anchor that lets the parents remain. Hence > the term, anchor baby. > > If you had a clue, you'd know of the 14th Amendment that gives citizenship > to anybody born on US soil. - And if you had a clue, you would see that I didn't disagree with your position on birthright citizenship. The problem, as you stated is the "anchor" status. There is absolutely no reason that a US citizen child of illegals should have a bearing on the parents immigration status. Deporting the parents does not mean that the child is deported. The parents might decide to take the child with them...or not.
From: RD Sandman on 31 Jul 2010 13:38 "Wayne" <mygarbagecan(a)verizon.net> wrote in news:i2vr8n$pne$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > > "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message > news:N7K4o.46425$f_3.10714(a)newsfe17.iad... >> If you're here illegally, and whelp a pup, it's an American Citizen. >> >> I guess with all of the latest negative press and pressure from >> Conservative, Lindsey Graham thinks he's figured out a nice bone to >> throw for appeasement. Now, all of a sudden, he's very irritated by >> all of these anchor babies born here in America and he says: >> > <snip> > Dumbassed idea. And an even dumber idea is that an American born > child of illegal aliens somehow confers anchor status on the parents. > If the parents get into a deportable situation....deport them and they > are free to take the child with them. > > > That's basically what happens, however the path to citizenship for the parents is easier with an anchor baby. -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) The three stages of our economy....... Recession - You neighbor loses his job... Depression - You lose your job... Recovery - Obama loses his....
From: RD Sandman on 31 Jul 2010 13:41
Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everything(a)Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote in news:4c537ffd$0$3801$ec3e2dad(a)unlimited.usenetmonster.com: > On 7/30/2010 9:25 PM, Jeff Strickland wrote: >> "Wayne" <mygarbagecan(a)verizon.net> wrote in message >> news:i2vr8n$pne$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>> news:N7K4o.46425$f_3.10714(a)newsfe17.iad... >>>> If you're here illegally, and whelp a pup, it's an American >>>> Citizen. >>>> >>>> I guess with all of the latest negative press and pressure from >>>> Conservative, Lindsey Graham thinks he's figured out a nice bone to >>>> throw for appeasement. Now, all of a sudden, he's very irritated by >>>> all of these anchor babies born here in America and he says: >>>> >>> <snip> >>> Dumbassed idea. And an even dumber idea is that an American born >>> child of illegal aliens somehow confers anchor status on the >>> parents. If the parents get into a deportable situation....deport >>> them and they are free to take the child with them. >>> >> >> The problem is, the baby is an anchor that lets the parents remain. >> Hence the term, anchor baby. >> > > Why not send the child home to their parent's country with the > parent.... Clinton did that to Elian Gonzalez. > > http://outsourcenews.net/j-news/content/view/219/126/ Elian was not an anchor baby but was, in fact, a Cuban. -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) The three stages of our economy....... Recession - You neighbor loses his job... Depression - You lose your job... Recovery - Obama loses his.... |