{BS} Movement afoot to drop "anchor babies"
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From: RD Sandman on 31 Jul 2010 13:41 "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in news:i2vvh0$dq0$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > > "Beam Me Up Scotty" <Then-Destroy-Everything(a)Blackhole.NebulaX.com> > wrote in message > news:4c537ffd$0$3801$ec3e2dad(a)unlimited.usenetmonster.com... >> On 7/30/2010 9:25 PM, Jeff Strickland wrote: >>> "Wayne" <mygarbagecan(a)verizon.net> wrote in message >>> news:i2vr8n$pne$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> >>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>> news:N7K4o.46425$f_3.10714(a)newsfe17.iad... >>>>> If you're here illegally, and whelp a pup, it's an American >>>>> Citizen. >>>>> >>>>> I guess with all of the latest negative press and pressure from >>>>> Conservative, Lindsey Graham thinks he's figured out a nice bone >>>>> to throw for appeasement. Now, all of a sudden, he's very >>>>> irritated by all of these anchor babies born here in America and >>>>> he says: >>>>> >>>> <snip> >>>> Dumbassed idea. And an even dumber idea is that an American born >>>> child of >>>> illegal aliens somehow confers anchor status on the parents. If >>>> the parents get into a deportable situation....deport them and they >>>> are free to take the child with them. >>>> >>> >>> The problem is, the baby is an anchor that lets the parents remain. >>> Hence the term, anchor baby. >>> >> >> Why not send the child home to their parent's country with the >> parent.... Clinton did that to Elian Gonzalez. >> >> http://outsourcenews.net/j-news/content/view/219/126/ >> >> > > > But Elian was not born here. He was enroute with his mother when she > drowned. Elian was not sent home with a parent, his mother died coming > here and he was alone without any parents. His father was in Cuba, and > Elian was here with aunts and uncles from his mother's side of the > family. Elian was sent home to a parent, not with a parent. Exactly. > Anchor babies are born here of illegal immigrant mothers, making it > difficult to deport the mother because the baby is a citizen for no > other reason that it was born here. The mother, 8+ months pregnant, > manages to crawl under the wire on Sunday at 11:45pm, and the baby is > born on Monday at 12:15am, and it's a citizen because of the 14th > Amendment. Been that way a long, long time. -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) The three stages of our economy....... Recession - You neighbor loses his job... Depression - You lose your job... Recovery - Obama loses his....
From: RD Sandman on 31 Jul 2010 13:46 "Wayne" <mygarbagecan(a)verizon.net> wrote in news:i31fve$2vh$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:i2vu6k$43o$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "Wayne" <mygarbagecan(a)verizon.net> wrote in message >> news:i2vr8n$pne$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>> news:N7K4o.46425$f_3.10714(a)newsfe17.iad... >>>> If you're here illegally, and whelp a pup, it's an American >>>> Citizen. >>>> >>>> I guess with all of the latest negative press and pressure from >>>> Conservative, Lindsey Graham thinks he's figured out a nice bone to >>>> throw for appeasement. Now, all of a sudden, he's very irritated by >>>> all of these anchor babies born here in America and he says: >>>> >>> <snip> >>> Dumbassed idea. And an even dumber idea is that an American born >>> child of illegal aliens somehow confers anchor status on the >>> parents. If the parents get into a deportable situation....deport >>> them and they are free to take the child with them. >>> >> >> The problem is, the baby is an anchor that lets the parents remain. >> Hence the term, anchor baby. >> >> If you had a clue, you'd know of the 14th Amendment that gives >> citizenship to anybody born on US soil. > - > And if you had a clue, you would see that I didn't disagree with your > position on birthright citizenship. The problem, as you stated is the > "anchor" status. There is absolutely no reason that a US citizen > child of illegals should have a bearing on the parents immigration > status. Yes, there is. The 14A says "All persons born or naturalized...." It does not say, "Only persons born of US citizens or naturalized...." or "Only persons born to legal immigrants, US citizens or naturalized....". Bottom line, to change that will take an amendment to the Constitution, something neither Russell Pearce nor Lindsey Graham is capable of. > Deporting the parents does not mean that the child is > deported. The parents might decide to take the child with them...or > not. > > > -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) The three stages of our economy....... Recession - You neighbor loses his job... Depression - You lose your job... Recovery - Obama loses his....
From: Beam Me Up Scotty on 31 Jul 2010 14:38 On 7/31/2010 1:41 PM, RD Sandman wrote: > Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everything(a)Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote > in news:4c537ffd$0$3801$ec3e2dad(a)unlimited.usenetmonster.com: > >> On 7/30/2010 9:25 PM, Jeff Strickland wrote: >>> "Wayne" <mygarbagecan(a)verizon.net> wrote in message >>> news:i2vr8n$pne$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> >>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>> news:N7K4o.46425$f_3.10714(a)newsfe17.iad... >>>>> If you're here illegally, and whelp a pup, it's an American >>>>> Citizen. >>>>> >>>>> I guess with all of the latest negative press and pressure from >>>>> Conservative, Lindsey Graham thinks he's figured out a nice bone to >>>>> throw for appeasement. Now, all of a sudden, he's very irritated by >>>>> all of these anchor babies born here in America and he says: >>>>> >>>> <snip> >>>> Dumbassed idea. And an even dumber idea is that an American born >>>> child of illegal aliens somehow confers anchor status on the >>>> parents. If the parents get into a deportable situation....deport >>>> them and they are free to take the child with them. >>>> >>> >>> The problem is, the baby is an anchor that lets the parents remain. >>> Hence the term, anchor baby. >>> >> >> Why not send the child home to their parent's country with the >> parent.... Clinton did that to Elian Gonzalez. >> >> http://outsourcenews.net/j-news/content/view/219/126/ > > > Elian was not an anchor baby but was, in fact, a Cuban. > I wrote that and someone snipped it.... Cubans have a special deal with immigrations. My point was that Elian had the same right to stay as any anchor baby, but Clinton sent him back to CUBA to a parent. --
From: RD Sandman on 31 Jul 2010 15:12 Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everything(a)Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote in news:4C546D97.6080205(a)Blackhole.NebulaX.com: > On 7/31/2010 1:41 PM, RD Sandman wrote: >> Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everything(a)Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote >> in news:4c537ffd$0$3801$ec3e2dad(a)unlimited.usenetmonster.com: >> >>> On 7/30/2010 9:25 PM, Jeff Strickland wrote: >>>> "Wayne" <mygarbagecan(a)verizon.net> wrote in message >>>> news:i2vr8n$pne$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>> >>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>> news:N7K4o.46425$f_3.10714(a)newsfe17.iad... >>>>>> If you're here illegally, and whelp a pup, it's an American >>>>>> Citizen. >>>>>> >>>>>> I guess with all of the latest negative press and pressure from >>>>>> Conservative, Lindsey Graham thinks he's figured out a nice bone to >>>>>> throw for appeasement. Now, all of a sudden, he's very irritated by >>>>>> all of these anchor babies born here in America and he says: >>>>>> >>>>> <snip> >>>>> Dumbassed idea. And an even dumber idea is that an American born >>>>> child of illegal aliens somehow confers anchor status on the >>>>> parents. If the parents get into a deportable situation....deport >>>>> them and they are free to take the child with them. >>>>> >>>> >>>> The problem is, the baby is an anchor that lets the parents remain. >>>> Hence the term, anchor baby. >>>> >>> >>> Why not send the child home to their parent's country with the >>> parent.... Clinton did that to Elian Gonzalez. >>> >>> http://outsourcenews.net/j-news/content/view/219/126/ >> >> >> Elian was not an anchor baby but was, in fact, a Cuban. >> > I wrote that and someone snipped it.... Cubans have a special deal with > immigrations. My point was that Elian had the same right to stay as any > anchor baby, but Clinton sent him back to CUBA to a parent. Yes, because he had no parents here. The choice was a parent or a guardian. I make no stand on whether or not it was a correct choice, but the events in doing it were stupid. -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) The three stages of our economy....... Recession - You neighbor loses his job... Depression - You lose your job... Recovery - Obama loses his....
From: Jeff Strickland on 31 Jul 2010 16:18
"Wayne" <mygarbagecan(a)verizon.net> wrote in message news:i31fve$2vh$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:i2vu6k$43o$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "Wayne" <mygarbagecan(a)verizon.net> wrote in message >> news:i2vr8n$pne$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>> news:N7K4o.46425$f_3.10714(a)newsfe17.iad... >>>> If you're here illegally, and whelp a pup, it's an American Citizen. >>>> >>>> I guess with all of the latest negative press and pressure from >>>> Conservative, Lindsey Graham thinks he's figured out a nice bone to >>>> throw for appeasement. Now, all of a sudden, he's very irritated by all >>>> of these anchor babies born here in America and he says: >>>> >>> <snip> >>> Dumbassed idea. And an even dumber idea is that an American born child >>> of illegal aliens somehow confers anchor status on the parents. If the >>> parents get into a deportable situation....deport them and they are free >>> to take the child with them. >>> >> >> The problem is, the baby is an anchor that lets the parents remain. Hence >> the term, anchor baby. >> >> If you had a clue, you'd know of the 14th Amendment that gives >> citizenship to anybody born on US soil. > - > And if you had a clue, you would see that I didn't disagree with your > position on birthright citizenship. The problem, as you stated is the > "anchor" status. There is absolutely no reason that a US citizen child of > illegals should have a bearing on the parents immigration status. > Deporting the parents does not mean that the child is deported. The > parents might decide to take the child with them...or not. > Let's walk that through. If your mother is an illegal immigrant, and she crawled under the wire to squirt you out, and then was deported WHILE YOU (a minor child) WERE ALLOWED TO REMAIN, who would care for you? Me? Your mother would not be deported if it meant that you remained as a ward of the state. You would be deported to, which means you would be expelled or exiled. I can't think of any instance where such a move on the part of the government has ever taken place. But, assume for a moment that it could happen ... What would keep the government from simply expelling or exiling any other CITIZEN that it felt doesn't deserve to be here? The government cannot, or will not, send an American citizen (minor child, to boot) packing, and will instead allow an alien parent to receive resident alien status for no other reason than to care for the minor child. That is an attraction of the anchor baby clause of 14 -- come here and have a baby, then seek resident alien status through the relationship with the child. Siblings can also get resident alien status from the same anchor baby. |