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From: Vic Smith on 24 Nov 2009 10:34 On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:38:03 -0600, "E. Meyer" <epmeyer50(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On 11/23/09 6:09 PM, in article hef83r02ir0(a)news1.newsguy.com, "Nate Nagel" ><njnagel(a)roosters.net> wrote: > > >> Everyone who's ever owned a car with an "upside down" oil filter knows >> that Fram ADBVs suck. They don't work more often than they do, or at >> least that was the case the last time I used one, 15 years ago. >> >> nate > > >"...15 years ago" - that's the problem with this whole thread. Everybody is >arguing antique anecdotal evidence and apparently no one has any actual >facts to contribute. For all we know from this discussion, they had one bad >production run in 1994 and everybody is still talking about it. > >Try this experiment - the next time you change the oil filter, up end the >old one and see how long it take to drain out. I'll bet you find no >difference from one brand to another, I know I haven't. Nobody's ADBVs work >worth a damn. > >The real issue is whether the filter media meets mfr's specs & that element >seems to never enter into the discussion. Just for kicks, here's a look at filters one guy did. http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy-updates.html 10 years old. But you could study a filter today, and tomorrow they change it at the factory. I've used all kinds of filters, and my practice is to dump their contents into the drain pan. They all dump their contents just fine. Some might glug a bit more than others. BFG. Never had a base down oil filter configuration. Most seem to have been base-up at about 45 degrees. My Ford 352 was the only one I can recall that was close to vertical - base up. Most of my cars have been GM. They'll dump some oil when removed. A rag is your friend. No big deal. How many here fill their new filter with oil? I never did. Never noticed any undue lack of pressure when starting up with a dry new filter either. I think most lifter noise at startup is because they are cold, not because they don't almost immediately pump up. Anyway I don't pay much attention to filters, except I don't buy Fram. Usually just go with AC. Not because I know anything about them, but because the raps against Fram filtered in long ago. Funny how a rep can stick, whether still deserved or not. Anyway, filter selection is mostly voodoo. Never liked the idea of toilet paper oil filters, will say that. --Vic
From: clare on 24 Nov 2009 15:08 On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:34:43 -0600, Vic Smith <thismailautodeleted(a)comcast.net> wrote: >On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:38:03 -0600, "E. Meyer" <epmeyer50(a)gmail.com> >wrote: > >>On 11/23/09 6:09 PM, in article hef83r02ir0(a)news1.newsguy.com, "Nate Nagel" >><njnagel(a)roosters.net> wrote: >> >> >>> Everyone who's ever owned a car with an "upside down" oil filter knows >>> that Fram ADBVs suck. They don't work more often than they do, or at >>> least that was the case the last time I used one, 15 years ago. >>> >>> nate >> >> >>"...15 years ago" - that's the problem with this whole thread. Everybody is >>arguing antique anecdotal evidence and apparently no one has any actual >>facts to contribute. For all we know from this discussion, they had one bad >>production run in 1994 and everybody is still talking about it. >> >>Try this experiment - the next time you change the oil filter, up end the >>old one and see how long it take to drain out. I'll bet you find no >>difference from one brand to another, I know I haven't. Nobody's ADBVs work >>worth a damn. >> >>The real issue is whether the filter media meets mfr's specs & that element >>seems to never enter into the discussion. > >Just for kicks, here's a look at filters one guy did. >http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy-updates.html > >10 years old. >But you could study a filter today, and tomorrow they change it at the >factory. >I've used all kinds of filters, and my practice is to dump their >contents into the drain pan. They all dump their contents just fine. >Some might glug a bit more than others. BFG. >Never had a base down oil filter configuration. Most seem to have >been base-up at about 45 degrees. My Ford 352 was the only one >I can recall that was close to vertical - base up. Most of my cars >have been GM. >They'll dump some oil when removed. A rag is your friend. No big >deal. >How many here fill their new filter with oil? I never did. >Never noticed any undue lack of pressure when starting up with a dry >new filter either. >I think most lifter noise at startup is because they are cold, not >because they don't almost immediately pump up. >Anyway I don't pay much attention to filters, except I don't buy Fram. >Usually just go with AC. >Not because I know anything about them, but because the raps against >Fram filtered in long ago. Funny how a rep can stick, whether still >deserved or not. >Anyway, filter selection is mostly voodoo. >Never liked the idea of toilet paper oil filters, will say that. > >--Vic > > > About 4 years ago, just before I got rid of our 1988 3.0 liter New Yorker it got a Fram filter installed - and the lifters clattered on startup - about 30 seconds on a warm day, up to 90 seconds on a cooler day. oil pressure took longer to come up. I didn't leave it on for the full 5000Km - changed it to a Wix manufactured Napa filter and the clatter went away - immediately.
From: hls on 24 Nov 2009 19:58 "E. Meyer" <epmeyer50(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:C7313DDB.14358%epmeyer50(a)gmail.com... > Everybody is > arguing antique anecdotal evidence and apparently no one has any actual > facts to contribute. For all we know from this discussion, they had one > bad > production run in 1994 and everybody is still talking about it. You got that right!
From: Nate Nagel on 24 Nov 2009 21:02 hls wrote: > > "E. Meyer" <epmeyer50(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:C7313DDB.14358%epmeyer50(a)gmail.com... >> Everybody is >> arguing antique anecdotal evidence and apparently no one has any actual >> facts to contribute. For all we know from this discussion, they had >> one bad >> production run in 1994 and everybody is still talking about it. > > > You got that right! meanwhile Wix, Purolator, and Champion Labs have NEVER had a bad run significant enough to register on our collective radar screens. 'nuff said. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel
From: clare on 24 Nov 2009 22:16
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:58:15 -0600, "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote: > >"E. Meyer" <epmeyer50(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >news:C7313DDB.14358%epmeyer50(a)gmail.com... >> Everybody is >> arguing antique anecdotal evidence and apparently no one has any actual >> facts to contribute. For all we know from this discussion, they had one >> bad >> production run in 1994 and everybody is still talking about it. > > >You got that right! Been a lot more than one "bad run", both before and after 1994. Fram plant (allied signal) in Canada was about 35 miles from here and an aquaintance several years back used to work there. He jumped ship to Kralinator IIRC, have lost contact with him since |