From: Ashton Crusher on
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:57:25 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS>
wrote:

>On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:15:16 -0600, jim wrote:
>
>>> > That is not to say Fram filters are high quality. They are cheap
>>> > filters, but they are good enough if you change the oil often enough.
>>> >
>>> > -jim
>>>
>>> Every three thousand miles, regardless of age/condition of car...
>>
>> Yeah and I'm a talking dog. You change the oil every 3000k on a car you
>> have only had for 100 miles?
>
>jim...jim beam?...oh,brother...now infecting groups other than Honda?
>
>Jesus ever let you put your finger in the holes in his hands, and your hand in his side?
>
>Once more, for the fans on the West Coast...
>
>1988 Supra. Bought in 2004. Oil changes every 3,000 miles since I have
>owned it. Approaching 30,000 miles since I bought it.
>
>1989 Subaru GL coupe. Bought in 2007. Oil changes every 3,000 miles since
>I have owned it. Approaching 20,000 miles since I bought it.
>
>1989 Mazda 626. Bought in 2006. Oil changes every 3,000 miles since I
>have owned it. Approaching 30,000 miles since I bought it.
>
>1985 Toyota Corolla GTS. Bought in 1986 with 10,000 miles. Oil changes
>every 3,000 miles. Now has 259,810 miles. (that's 86 oil changes, all done
>by me) Hey! 86! I like that number!
>
>1992 Dodge Caravan. Bought 2 weeks ago. Did an oil change. Will do an oil
>change every 3,000 miles as long as I own it.
>
>2005 Scion tC. Bought in 2006 with 11,000 miles. Oil changes every 4,500
>miles, since I use synthetic in this car. Approaching 20,000 miles since I
>bought it.
>
>No, I do *NOT* analyze my oil. I just change it. Period. Every 3,000 miles.
>Except the Scion.
>
>End of discussion.
>
>
>And, I see you type as well as talk. Formidable!
>

You are wasting a ton of money and oil. With today's high quality
regular oil, unless you have some crappy sludge producing import
engine, every 6mo/6000 miles is all you need. Our fleet of thousands
of cars and trucks ( 90% + domestic) get 6/6000 and it's works just
fine. We have many vehicles run up to 250K miles on that interval and
are still running when auctioned. My area has a couple dozen vehicles
and the last time we had an engine failure was on a 70 Plymouth years
and years ago. That's not to say in the entire fleet we don't
sometimes have a problem, but it's much more likely to be a blown head
gasket then anything else.
From: jim on


Nate Nagel wrote:

> In any case, this has gone on far too long,

It certainly has. This business of getting on usenet and slamming Fram
filters for no good reason has been going on for way way too long. There
is no reliable data or evidence to support these slams but the
perpetrators think they can gang up and bully everybody else into
agreeing with them.



>and "Jim" certainly seems
> every bit as pleasant to interact with as "Mike" and as immune to facts
> that don't fit with his preconceived worldview.

I don't have an opinionated world view. Your the one promoting
opinionated superstitious beliefs. My personal belief is that the
difference between one filter brand and another doesn't amount to hill
of beans as far as the overall effects it has on an engine. Anybody can
use any filter that is designed for the application and change it before
it is saturated with dirt and the chance of having a problem are
practically nil. You can apply the same logic to the filter in a vacuum
cleaner.

There is no evidence that there is any greater risk when using one
brand as compared to another. The way things are nowadays the average
engine will outlast the rest of the car if you just follow the
recommended maintenance schedule.

-jim

>
> nate
>
> --
> replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
> http://members.cox.net/njnagel
From: SMS on
Vic Smith wrote:

> Puleeze. They're obviously different folks.
> And you will killfile somebody because they might use Fram oil
> filters?

no, just because they're a pathological liar. Keeping what remains of
Usenet useful is dependent on judicious filtering to be able to see the
remaining useful content.
From: Vic Smith on
On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:52:20 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com>
wrote:

>Vic Smith wrote:
>
>> Puleeze. They're obviously different folks.
>> And you will killfile somebody because they might use Fram oil
>> filters?
>
>no, just because they're a pathological liar. Keeping what remains of
>Usenet useful is dependent on judicious filtering to be able to see the
>remaining useful content.

Far as I've seen, it's a case of disagreement, not lying.
Open discourse.
That's what it's all about, baby!

--Vic
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:25:23 -0500, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:

> Who was it in the Subaru group that mentioned my low oil pressure might be
> caused by my using Fram oil filters?
>
> There may be something to this.
>


OK....changed the oil in the Soob today ,a dn installed a Wix filter.
Just by lokking at it it appeared to be a better made filter.

No change in oil pressure...

However that horrible clacking noise went away in about 2 minutes, after
clacking for the past week. Previously, changing oil did NOT eliminate the
clacking noise once it started.

Filter change do that? I don't know. I don't care. It stopped.