Who was it who mentioned Fram oil filters and dropping oil pressure?
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From: Nate Nagel on 23 Nov 2009 21:30 jim wrote: > > Nate Nagel wrote: > >> Everyone who's ever owned a car with an "upside down" oil filter knows >> that Fram ADBVs suck. > > Yeah and everybody knows the moon is made of green cheese. BTW which way > is upside down for a filter/ Base up. Base down doesn't require an ADBV unless there's a siphon effect somehow. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel
From: jim on 23 Nov 2009 21:35 "Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B" wrote: > > I just find it funny that on three older cars, replacing the existing > filter with a Fram resulted in lower oil pressures. It doesn't take much to amuse a dim wit. You may well get higher pressure with a a filter that has less resistance. This is not unusual for any worn out engine that doesn't generate enough extra pressure to push the pressure relief valve open. That doesn't mean the other filter is better. One of the consequences of using the filters that don't filter as good is an accumulation of fines and more wear. The wear is the actual cause of the low oil pressure. -jim
From: Nate Nagel on 23 Nov 2009 21:40 Nate Nagel wrote: > jim wrote: >> >> Nate Nagel wrote: >> >>> Everyone who's ever owned a car with an "upside down" oil filter knows >>> that Fram ADBVs suck. >> >> Yeah and everybody knows the moon is made of green cheese. BTW which way >> is upside down for a filter/ > > Base up. Base down doesn't require an ADBV unless there's a siphon > effect somehow. FRAG! I knew what I was thinking, but typed the exact opposite. Base UP (as in a SBC and most other old school V-8s with an integral filter mount) is "normal." Base DOWN (e.g. slant-six, Porsche 944, old Ferrari V-12, etc.) *requires* an ADBV, either as part of the filter or part of the base. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel
From: nm5k on 23 Nov 2009 21:47 On Nov 23, 5:09 pm, jim <".sjedgingN0sp"@m...(a)mwt.net> wrote: > > I've seen rebuilt engines that are beaters. Mine is not. It still runs as well today as it did in 2002 when I installed it. Which is like new I might add. No runs, no drips, no errors.. Except for when I tried to use a Fram filter and it clacked very loudly in protest. I didn't let it run long enough to hurt anything, and I never raised it off idle until I finally had pressure. > > > > It's not a fact and your account of one experience is hardly proof. The studies > I have seen give the drain back valve on Fram a good rating. Your proof is one > experience against millions. Any filter's drain back valve will leak if a piece > of crud happens to prevent it from sealing. That possibility is most likely on a > freshly rebuilt engine. > And the drain back valve have nothing to do with the operating oil pressure, > which was the topic of this thread. > > -jim I can round you up a whole boatload of people that have seen the same exact problem. This is a well known issue involving many people. It's not something I just made up to look stylish. I don't care what the "studies" say. They are not using them in the same applications and filter positions. There have already been two others just in this thread alone that seem to be well aware of the problem besides me. Trust me, compared to the anti drain valve on the Motorcraft filter, the ones in regular orange Fram filters suck. Period. And I've proven to myself on my own vehicle. I've never seen the problem with any other filter on that engine. Only the Fram. Many others have proven it to themselves also. It's a common topic on the Ford truck forums I hang out on. But it's also a known problem with the Mopar slant six 229's. As far as the "dropping oil pressure", I'd say starting an engine when cold and waiting extended periods of time for *any* oil pressure would qualify. It's not anything one would normally miss being as the engine will be clacking like crazy. :( Think what you want, but you will never see me using a Fram filter again, even if they do work acceptably in many other applications. Which I'm sure they probably do.. They don't work in all of them though, and the other brands do. I know which line I'll be in and it won't be the one with the big "F" up at the window. :/
From: clare on 23 Nov 2009 21:49
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:04:40 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:09:33 -0500, Nate Nagel wrote: > >> jim wrote: >>> >>> nm5k(a)wt.net wrote: >>>> On Nov 23, 1:58 pm, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt,net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If you notice the millions of new cars using Fram filters >>>>> aren't the >>>>> ones having problems. It is always the guys with the 30 year old >>>>> beaters who tell of their the bad experience with the Fram filters. >>>> But I suspect not for the reason you think. A lot of the problem is the >>>> position of the filter. And lots of older cars had the filter mounted >>>> where it drained easily. It's not due to the condition of the engine. >>>> Remember, I had this problem with a brand new rebuilt engine that ran >>>> great, and it never did it again after dumping the Fram >>>> filter. My engine was not a beater and the oil pump was brand new. >>> >>> I've seen rebuilt engines that are beaters. >>> >>>>> That is not to say Fram filters are high quality. They are >>>>> cheap >>>>> filters, but they are good enough if you change the oil often enough. >>>>> >>>>> -jim >>>> They filter ok, but like one said, who cares if the valve doesn't work >>>> worth a hoot, and it's a proven fact that they don't. >>> >>> It's not a fact and your account of one experience is hardly proof. The >>> studies I have seen give the drain back valve on Fram a good rating. >>> Your proof is one experience against millions. Any filter's drain back >>> valve will leak if a piece of crud happens to prevent it from sealing. >>> That possibility is most likely on a freshly rebuilt engine. >>> And the drain back valve have nothing to do with the operating oil >>> pressure, >>> which was the topic of this thread. >>> >>> -jim >> >> Everyone who's ever owned a car with an "upside down" oil filter knows >> that Fram ADBVs suck. They don't work more often than they do, or at >> least that was the case the last time I used one, 15 years ago. >> >> If they can't manage to make something as simple as an ADBV work, that >> doesn't say a whole lot for their overall quality, and I don't feel the >> need to roll the dice with my engine when a better filter is easily >> available for the same price. >> >> nate > >Interesting, since they are 'made' by Honeywell, which is a fairly >reputable company. > > They were junk when they were Allied Signal, and when they were their own company before that. Who the "banker" is doesn't improve quality. |