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From: Nate Nagel on 23 Nov 2009 21:56 clare(a)snyder.on.ca wrote: > On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:04:40 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> > wrote: > >> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:09:33 -0500, Nate Nagel wrote: >> >>> jim wrote: >>>> nm5k(a)wt.net wrote: >>>>> On Nov 23, 1:58 pm, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt,net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If you notice the millions of new cars using Fram filters >>>>>> aren't the >>>>>> ones having problems. It is always the guys with the 30 year old >>>>>> beaters who tell of their the bad experience with the Fram filters. >>>>> But I suspect not for the reason you think. A lot of the problem is the >>>>> position of the filter. And lots of older cars had the filter mounted >>>>> where it drained easily. It's not due to the condition of the engine. >>>>> Remember, I had this problem with a brand new rebuilt engine that ran >>>>> great, and it never did it again after dumping the Fram >>>>> filter. My engine was not a beater and the oil pump was brand new. >>>> I've seen rebuilt engines that are beaters. >>>> >>>>>> That is not to say Fram filters are high quality. They are >>>>>> cheap >>>>>> filters, but they are good enough if you change the oil often enough. >>>>>> >>>>>> -jim >>>>> They filter ok, but like one said, who cares if the valve doesn't work >>>>> worth a hoot, and it's a proven fact that they don't. >>>> It's not a fact and your account of one experience is hardly proof. The >>>> studies I have seen give the drain back valve on Fram a good rating. >>>> Your proof is one experience against millions. Any filter's drain back >>>> valve will leak if a piece of crud happens to prevent it from sealing. >>>> That possibility is most likely on a freshly rebuilt engine. >>>> And the drain back valve have nothing to do with the operating oil >>>> pressure, >>>> which was the topic of this thread. >>>> >>>> -jim >>> Everyone who's ever owned a car with an "upside down" oil filter knows >>> that Fram ADBVs suck. They don't work more often than they do, or at >>> least that was the case the last time I used one, 15 years ago. >>> >>> If they can't manage to make something as simple as an ADBV work, that >>> doesn't say a whole lot for their overall quality, and I don't feel the >>> need to roll the dice with my engine when a better filter is easily >>> available for the same price. >>> >>> nate >> Interesting, since they are 'made' by Honeywell, which is a fairly >> reputable company. >> >> > > They were junk when they were Allied Signal, and when they were their > own company before that. Who the "banker" is doesn't improve quality. > way, WAY back in the day, they were apparently pretty good. And from what I've heard the media in their air filters is decent, it's just the *construction* of the oil filters that is suspect. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 23 Nov 2009 22:16 On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:35:54 -0600, jim wrote: > > >> I just find it funny that on three older cars, replacing the existing >> filter with a Fram resulted in lower oil pressures. > > It doesn't take much to amuse <SLAP!> Go away, you irritating man. Isn't there the underside of a rock just about your size?
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 23 Nov 2009 22:18 On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:49:44 -0500, clare wrote: > On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:04:40 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > >>On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:09:33 -0500, Nate Nagel wrote: >> >>> jim wrote: >>>> >>>> nm5k(a)wt.net wrote: >>>>> On Nov 23, 1:58 pm, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt,net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If you notice the millions of new cars using Fram filters >>>>>> aren't the >>>>>> ones having problems. It is always the guys with the 30 year old >>>>>> beaters who tell of their the bad experience with the Fram filters. >>>>> But I suspect not for the reason you think. A lot of the problem is >>>>> the position of the filter. And lots of older cars had the filter >>>>> mounted where it drained easily. It's not due to the condition of the >>>>> engine. Remember, I had this problem with a brand new rebuilt engine >>>>> that ran great, and it never did it again after dumping the Fram >>>>> filter. My engine was not a beater and the oil pump was brand new. >>>> >>>> I've seen rebuilt engines that are beaters. >>>> >>>>>> That is not to say Fram filters are high quality. They are >>>>>> cheap >>>>>> filters, but they are good enough if you change the oil often >>>>>> enough. >>>>>> >>>>>> -jim >>>>> They filter ok, but like one said, who cares if the valve doesn't >>>>> work worth a hoot, and it's a proven fact that they don't. >>>> >>>> It's not a fact and your account of one experience is hardly proof. >>>> The studies I have seen give the drain back valve on Fram a good >>>> rating. Your proof is one experience against millions. Any filter's >>>> drain back valve will leak if a piece of crud happens to prevent it >>>> from sealing. That possibility is most likely on a freshly rebuilt >>>> engine. >>>> And the drain back valve have nothing to do with the operating oil >>>> pressure, >>>> which was the topic of this thread. >>>> >>>> -jim >>> >>> Everyone who's ever owned a car with an "upside down" oil filter knows >>> that Fram ADBVs suck. They don't work more often than they do, or at >>> least that was the case the last time I used one, 15 years ago. >>> >>> If they can't manage to make something as simple as an ADBV work, that >>> doesn't say a whole lot for their overall quality, and I don't feel the >>> need to roll the dice with my engine when a better filter is easily >>> available for the same price. >>> >>> nate >> >>Interesting, since they are 'made' by Honeywell, which is a fairly >>reputable company. >> >> >> > They were junk when they were Allied Signal, and when they were their own > company before that. Who the "banker" is doesn't improve quality. LOL! But, adding to another part of this thread, whatever happened to Lee? I used them in all my Toyotas until ~1986 and had no problems at all with them!
From: Daniel Who Wants to Know on 23 Nov 2009 23:28 "N8N" <njnagel(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:70d8d69c-b25e-48f5-9faf-9ca8ed6c795a(a)p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com... On Nov 22, 9:39 pm, "Daniel Who Wants to Know" <danielthechs...(a)merrychristmasi.com> wrote: > Put a Wix 51515 on it and you won't have a problem again. > > Daniel > Bought a 95 Grand Caravan SE 3.3l with 223,000 miles on it for $800 and > immediatly changed to a 51515 and Mobil 1 5w30 non-EP. I have 10k miles of > my own on the van now and the engine is still going strong. That number sounds familiar... same filter as a 225 leaning tower of power maybe? nate The 51515 is AKA a Motorcraft FL1A. It is the filter specified for most Fords and is just a longer version of the 51085 that is speced for the Chryslers. The even larger version is the 51773 but according to Wix it only has a 30 micron rating whereas the 51515 and 51085 have a 19 micron rating therefore it may be useful for cleaning up a sludged and/or neglected engine.
From: clare on 23 Nov 2009 23:53
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:56:23 -0500, Nate Nagel <njnagel(a)roosters.net> wrote: >clare(a)snyder.on.ca wrote: >> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:04:40 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:09:33 -0500, Nate Nagel wrote: >>> >>>> jim wrote: >>>>> nm5k(a)wt.net wrote: >>>>>> On Nov 23, 1:58 pm, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt,net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> If you notice the millions of new cars using Fram filters >>>>>>> aren't the >>>>>>> ones having problems. It is always the guys with the 30 year old >>>>>>> beaters who tell of their the bad experience with the Fram filters. >>>>>> But I suspect not for the reason you think. A lot of the problem is the >>>>>> position of the filter. And lots of older cars had the filter mounted >>>>>> where it drained easily. It's not due to the condition of the engine. >>>>>> Remember, I had this problem with a brand new rebuilt engine that ran >>>>>> great, and it never did it again after dumping the Fram >>>>>> filter. My engine was not a beater and the oil pump was brand new. >>>>> I've seen rebuilt engines that are beaters. >>>>> >>>>>>> That is not to say Fram filters are high quality. They are >>>>>>> cheap >>>>>>> filters, but they are good enough if you change the oil often enough. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -jim >>>>>> They filter ok, but like one said, who cares if the valve doesn't work >>>>>> worth a hoot, and it's a proven fact that they don't. >>>>> It's not a fact and your account of one experience is hardly proof. The >>>>> studies I have seen give the drain back valve on Fram a good rating. >>>>> Your proof is one experience against millions. Any filter's drain back >>>>> valve will leak if a piece of crud happens to prevent it from sealing. >>>>> That possibility is most likely on a freshly rebuilt engine. >>>>> And the drain back valve have nothing to do with the operating oil >>>>> pressure, >>>>> which was the topic of this thread. >>>>> >>>>> -jim >>>> Everyone who's ever owned a car with an "upside down" oil filter knows >>>> that Fram ADBVs suck. They don't work more often than they do, or at >>>> least that was the case the last time I used one, 15 years ago. >>>> >>>> If they can't manage to make something as simple as an ADBV work, that >>>> doesn't say a whole lot for their overall quality, and I don't feel the >>>> need to roll the dice with my engine when a better filter is easily >>>> available for the same price. >>>> >>>> nate >>> Interesting, since they are 'made' by Honeywell, which is a fairly >>> reputable company. >>> >>> >> >> They were junk when they were Allied Signal, and when they were their >> own company before that. Who the "banker" is doesn't improve quality. >> > >way, WAY back in the day, they were apparently pretty good. And from >what I've heard the media in their air filters is decent, it's just the >*construction* of the oil filters that is suspect. > >nate Their quality "went south" in the late '60s or early '70s in a big way. That said, they were NEVER as good as a Wix or a Hastings / Casite even back then. |