From: Hachiroku ハチロク on
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:11:10 -0500, pandora wrote:

>> Think of this: I don't remember Nixon, Carter or Ford,
>
> Nixon "ahhded", Carter had that southern accent ( :-) ), Ford well, he
> kept falling down.

LOL!
Nah, that was Chevy Chase! ;)

>
> but when Reagan
>> got stuck with something he was not prepared for, he said, "Well,..."
>
> He usually didn't even know where he was.
>
>> When Bush the First got stuck, the hands started going. When Clinton got
>> caught off-guard,
>> he...would...pause...after...each...word...
>
> Maybe for emphasis? I've used that.

But when GB I really got stuck, it looked like a Salad Shooter gone mad.

>
> Bush the II? Who could
>> figure? Perhaps that could be when he came out with a "Bushism" (Kind of
>> like a Spoonerism, but not as intelligent). It's hard to tell with GWB,
>> because it seems he was unprepared about 80% of the time. There were
>> times if you looked really hard, you could even see the strings...
>
> Indeed. It seemed to me his brain was off the track most of the time.
>
>> Obama? As far as I can see, he too is a puppet, with both Pelousy and
>> Reid stuffing their hands up as far as they could go.
>
> I like his speeches. I don't see him as a puppet at all. At least he can
> speak and doesn't *sound* like an idiot. If he manages to do anything
> good for this country (that is IF the repugs will let him), I'll be very
> happy with him.
>
>> I'd rather have had Hillary in office, and if you knew me, you'd know
>> THAT is a real stretch.
>
> I agreed with Hilary, it wasn't the right time. It may be in 2012. How
> about Hilary running against Sarah? Now THAT would be a race!


OMG. I used to really like Sarah, but since the 'handlers' got their hooks
in her, she has been playing up the cutesy bit a little to much and it's
detracted from her, a LOT.

Just think: if it hadn't been for her, we might have had McCain.


From: pandora on
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:43:18 +0000, Sharx35 wrote:

> "pandora" <pandora(a)peak.org> wrote in message
> news:zbudnV-lS8kNdFnWnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d(a)scnresearch.com...
>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:39:38 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:50:48 -0500, in the land of
>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, pandora <pandora(a)peak.org> got
>>> double secret probation for writing:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 13:38:02 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:13:08 -0500, in the land of
>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, pandora <pandora(a)peak.org> got
>>>>> double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:43:08 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:02:01 -0500, in the land of
>>>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, pandora <pandora(a)peak.org>
>>>>>>> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:38:52 -0400, Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:54:46 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>With this empty suited Bambi, you can't believe a damend thing
>>>>>>>>>>>he says!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, that whole ability to use the English language <SLAP!>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Coming from someone who clearly doesn't understand it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, the Pres talked for 17 whole minutes. Wanna go through all
>>>>>>>>> the YouTubes where he was saying "ah, um, er, ah, er" for about
>>>>>>>>> 10 of those minutes?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're as bad as Meredith Viera. I thought she was going to suck
>>>>>>>>> him off in the middle of an interview last year.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The man's a Harvard Law graduate. He should be able to talk for
>>>>>>>>> HOURS without a teleprompter. But he can't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The shrub couldn't talk for even 5 minutes without looking like
>>>>>>>>and sounding like an idiot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nixon used "ah" even when he used his teleprompter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes he did. Many of them do.
>>>>>
>>>>> The horror when the red herring is turned upon itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe he can come up with the reason why using a teleprompter for
>>>>> prepared statements is worse than writing your most basic talking
>>>>> points on your hand. You know something that should glibly fall from
>>>>> your vocal cords as it you had a clue.
>>>>
>>>>I certainly think that politicians should *at least* be able to
>>>>remember their own political stance well enough to spout it without
>>>>crib notes on their palms. As for teleprompters; they don't bother me
>>>>as they are used (mostly) for prepared speeches, not necessarily
>>>>written by the speaker but *hopefully* espousing the speaker's agenda
>>>>and as such the teleprompters allow the speaker to ramp up various
>>>>parts of the speech for emphasis.
>>>
>>> They are a huge time saver.
>>
>> Definitely agreed. I've given speeches but never with a teleprompter.
>> I can well imagine how handy they would be.
>>
>> The expenditure of tiime that would be
>>> required to memorize a speech can be used elsewhere on important
>>> matters. If all that is necessary is to give the speech accurately, it
>>> does not matter.
>>
>> I agree with that.
>>
>>> BUT HE USES A TELEPROMPTER!
>>>
>>> HORRORS!!!
>>>
>>> <RUN AROUND HAIR ON FIRE>
>>>
>>> SARAH SAID SO!!!!
>>
>> I think the witch is nuts.
>
> Ah, c'mon, you just envy her effect on any RED-BLOODED male. <vbg>

Why would I wnvy her when I can get that effect without being stupid?

:-)
From: pandora on
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:44:30 +0000, Sharx35 wrote:

> "pandora" <pandora(a)peak.org> wrote in message
> news:zbudnV6lS8ljdlnWnZ2dnUVZ_tGqnZ2d(a)scnresearch.com...
>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 23:30:40 -0400, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:13:08 -0500, pandora wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:43:08 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:02:01 -0500, in the land of
>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, pandora <pandora(a)peak.org> got
>>>>> double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:38:52 -0400, Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:54:46 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>With this empty suited Bambi, you can't believe a damend thing he
>>>>>>>>>says!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, that whole ability to use the English language <SLAP!>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Coming from someone who clearly doesn't understand it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, the Pres talked for 17 whole minutes. Wanna go through all the
>>>>>>> YouTubes where he was saying "ah, um, er, ah, er" for about 10 of
>>>>>>> those minutes?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're as bad as Meredith Viera. I thought she was going to suck
>>>>>>> him off in the middle of an interview last year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The man's a Harvard Law graduate. He should be able to talk for
>>>>>>> HOURS without a teleprompter. But he can't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The shrub couldn't talk for even 5 minutes without looking like and
>>>>>>sounding like an idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nixon used "ah" even when he used his teleprompter.
>>>>
>>>> Yes he did. Many of them do.
>>>
>>> Think of this: I don't remember Nixon, Carter or Ford,
>>
>> Nixon "ahhded", Carter had that southern accent ( :-) ), Ford well, he
>> kept falling down.
>>
>> but when Reagan
>>> got stuck with something he was not prepared for, he said, "Well,..."
>>
>> He usually didn't even know where he was.
>>
>>> When Bush the First got stuck, the hands started going. When Clinton
>>> got caught off-guard,
>>> he...would...pause...after...each...word...
>>
>> Maybe for emphasis? I've used that.
>>
>> Bush the II? Who could
>>> figure? Perhaps that could be when he came out with a "Bushism" (Kind
>>> of like a Spoonerism, but not as intelligent). It's hard to tell with
>>> GWB, because it seems he was unprepared about 80% of the time. There
>>> were times if you looked really hard, you could even see the
>>> strings...
>>
>> Indeed. It seemed to me his brain was off the track most of the time.
>>
>>> Obama? As far as I can see, he too is a puppet, with both Pelousy and
>>> Reid stuffing their hands up as far as they could go.
>>
>> I like his speeches. I don't see him as a puppet at all. At least he
>> can speak and doesn't *sound* like an idiot. If he manages to do
>> anything good for this country (that is IF the repugs will let him),
>> I'll be very happy with him.
>>
>>> I'd rather have had Hillary in office, and if you knew me, you'd know
>>> THAT is a real stretch.
>>
>> I agreed with Hilary, it wasn't the right time. It may be in 2012. How
>> about Hilary running against Sarah? Now THAT would be a race!
>
> On THAT note, I'd have to agree! You do NOT get into the governorship of
> ANY state by being a dummy!

Well, it WAS Alaska, eh?

:-)
From: pandora on
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:03:36 -0400, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:52:41 -0600, §nühw0£f wrote:
>
>> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:24:27 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, that whole ability to use the English language and speak for
>>>>>> 17 minutes off the cuff with almost perfect pronounciation, diction
>>>>>> and syntax is clearly evident the teleprompter is his crutch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Coming from someone who clearly doesn't understand it.
>>>> So what is your "cogizent level" today?
>>>>
>>>> So what is the negative of using a teleprompter for prepared remarks,
>>>> specifically?
>>>
>>> What's wrong with having your notes in your palm? A lot of people use
>>> index cards. One has to take a teleprompter to the sixth grade with
>>> him.
>>>
>>>
>> Ok, lemme 'splain this to ye one more time...its disingenuous and
>> hypocritical for Palin to critique Obama for using telepropters or
>> notes when she does it herself.
>>
>> Whats sauce for the goose, is also sauce for the gander.
>>
>> Word.
>
>
> Notes are a LOT different from having every word you're going to say
> displayed for you.

And a prepared speech is different from answering a question
on policy that was already vetted.
From: pandora on
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:06:55 -0400, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:11:10 -0500, pandora wrote:
>
>>> Think of this: I don't remember Nixon, Carter or Ford,
>>
>> Nixon "ahhded", Carter had that southern accent ( :-) ), Ford well, he
>> kept falling down.
>
> LOL!
> Nah, that was Chevy Chase! ;)

Nah. I specifically remember Ford falling down the stairs of
a plane. He was a complete klutz. Hard to believe he ever
played football.

>
>> but when Reagan
>>> got stuck with something he was not prepared for, he said, "Well,..."
>>
>> He usually didn't even know where he was.
>>
>>> When Bush the First got stuck, the hands started going. When Clinton
>>> got caught off-guard,
>>> he...would...pause...after...each...word...
>>
>> Maybe for emphasis? I've used that.
>
> But when GB I really got stuck, it looked like a Salad Shooter gone mad.
>
Agreed.

>> Bush the II? Who could
>>> figure? Perhaps that could be when he came out with a "Bushism" (Kind
>>> of like a Spoonerism, but not as intelligent). It's hard to tell with
>>> GWB, because it seems he was unprepared about 80% of the time. There
>>> were times if you looked really hard, you could even see the
>>> strings...
>>
>> Indeed. It seemed to me his brain was off the track most of the time.
>>
>>> Obama? As far as I can see, he too is a puppet, with both Pelousy and
>>> Reid stuffing their hands up as far as they could go.
>>
>> I like his speeches. I don't see him as a puppet at all. At least he
>> can speak and doesn't *sound* like an idiot. If he manages to do
>> anything good for this country (that is IF the repugs will let him),
>> I'll be very happy with him.
>>
>>> I'd rather have had Hillary in office, and if you knew me, you'd know
>>> THAT is a real stretch.
>>
>> I agreed with Hilary, it wasn't the right time. It may be in 2012. How
>> about Hilary running against Sarah? Now THAT would be a race!
>
>
> OMG. I used to really like Sarah, but since the 'handlers' got their
> hooks in her, she has been playing up the cutesy bit a little to much
> and it's detracted from her, a LOT.

I never saw any *attraction* with her to begin with. She might
*look* kinda cute (so far), but she's a real ditz.

> Just think: if it hadn't been for her, we might have had McCain.

NEVER!!!!!!!!!