From: pandora on
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:39:38 -0700, Aratzio wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:50:48 -0500, in the land of
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, pandora <pandora(a)peak.org> got
> double secret probation for writing:
>
>>On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 13:38:02 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:13:08 -0500, in the land of
>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, pandora <pandora(a)peak.org> got
>>> double secret probation for writing:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:43:08 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:02:01 -0500, in the land of
>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, pandora <pandora(a)peak.org> got
>>>>> double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:38:52 -0400, Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:54:46 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>With this empty suited Bambi, you can't believe a damend thing he
>>>>>>>>>says!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, that whole ability to use the English language <SLAP!>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Coming from someone who clearly doesn't understand it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, the Pres talked for 17 whole minutes. Wanna go through all the
>>>>>>> YouTubes where he was saying "ah, um, er, ah, er" for about 10 of
>>>>>>> those minutes?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're as bad as Meredith Viera. I thought she was going to suck
>>>>>>> him off in the middle of an interview last year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The man's a Harvard Law graduate. He should be able to talk for
>>>>>>> HOURS without a teleprompter. But he can't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The shrub couldn't talk for even 5 minutes without looking like and
>>>>>>sounding like an idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nixon used "ah" even when he used his teleprompter.
>>>>
>>>>Yes he did. Many of them do.
>>>
>>> The horror when the red herring is turned upon itself.
>>>
>>> Maybe he can come up with the reason why using a teleprompter for
>>> prepared statements is worse than writing your most basic talking
>>> points on your hand. You know something that should glibly fall from
>>> your vocal cords as it you had a clue.
>>
>>I certainly think that politicians should *at least* be able to remember
>>their own political stance well enough to spout it without crib notes on
>>their palms. As for teleprompters; they don't bother me as they are
>>used (mostly) for prepared speeches, not necessarily written by the
>>speaker but *hopefully* espousing the speaker's agenda and as such the
>>teleprompters allow the speaker to ramp up various parts of the speech
>>for emphasis.
>
> They are a huge time saver.

Definitely agreed. I've given speeches but never with a
teleprompter. I can well imagine how handy they would be.

The expenditure of tiime that would be
> required to memorize a speech can be used elsewhere on important
> matters. If all that is necessary is to give the speech accurately, it
> does not matter.

I agree with that.

> BUT HE USES A TELEPROMPTER!
>
> HORRORS!!!
>
> <RUN AROUND HAIR ON FIRE>
>
> SARAH SAID SO!!!!

I think the witch is nuts.
From: pandora on
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 23:30:40 -0400, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:13:08 -0500, pandora wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:43:08 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:02:01 -0500, in the land of
>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, pandora <pandora(a)peak.org> got
>>> double secret probation for writing:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:38:52 -0400, Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:54:46 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>With this empty suited Bambi, you can't believe a damend thing he
>>>>>>>says!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, that whole ability to use the English language <SLAP!>
>>>>>
>>>>> Coming from someone who clearly doesn't understand it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, the Pres talked for 17 whole minutes. Wanna go through all the
>>>>> YouTubes where he was saying "ah, um, er, ah, er" for about 10 of
>>>>> those minutes?
>>>>>
>>>>> You're as bad as Meredith Viera. I thought she was going to suck him
>>>>> off in the middle of an interview last year.
>>>>>
>>>>> The man's a Harvard Law graduate. He should be able to talk for
>>>>> HOURS without a teleprompter. But he can't.
>>>>
>>>>The shrub couldn't talk for even 5 minutes without looking like and
>>>>sounding like an idiot.
>>>
>>> Nixon used "ah" even when he used his teleprompter.
>>
>> Yes he did. Many of them do.
>
> Think of this: I don't remember Nixon, Carter or Ford,

Nixon "ahhded", Carter had that southern accent ( :-) ), Ford
well, he kept falling down.

but when Reagan
> got stuck with something he was not prepared for, he said, "Well,..."

He usually didn't even know where he was.

> When Bush the First got stuck, the hands started going. When Clinton got
> caught off-guard,
> he...would...pause...after...each...word...

Maybe for emphasis? I've used that.

Bush the II? Who could
> figure? Perhaps that could be when he came out with a "Bushism" (Kind of
> like a Spoonerism, but not as intelligent). It's hard to tell with GWB,
> because it seems he was unprepared about 80% of the time. There were
> times if you looked really hard, you could even see the strings...

Indeed. It seemed to me his brain was off the track most of the time.

> Obama? As far as I can see, he too is a puppet, with both Pelousy and
> Reid stuffing their hands up as far as they could go.

I like his speeches. I don't see him as a puppet at all. At least
he can speak and doesn't *sound* like an idiot. If he manages to do
anything good for this country (that is IF the repugs will let him),
I'll be very happy with him.

> I'd rather have had Hillary in office, and if you knew me, you'd know
> THAT is a real stretch.

I agreed with Hilary, it wasn't the right time. It may be in 2012.
How about Hilary running against Sarah? Now THAT would be a race!
From: Sharx35 on


"pandora" <pandora(a)peak.org> wrote in message
news:zbudnV-lS8kNdFnWnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d(a)scnresearch.com...
> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:39:38 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:50:48 -0500, in the land of
>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, pandora <pandora(a)peak.org> got
>> double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>>On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 13:38:02 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:13:08 -0500, in the land of
>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, pandora <pandora(a)peak.org> got
>>>> double secret probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:43:08 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:02:01 -0500, in the land of
>>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, pandora <pandora(a)peak.org> got
>>>>>> double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:38:52 -0400, Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:54:46 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>With this empty suited Bambi, you can't believe a damend thing he
>>>>>>>>>>says!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, that whole ability to use the English language <SLAP!>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Coming from someone who clearly doesn't understand it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, the Pres talked for 17 whole minutes. Wanna go through all the
>>>>>>>> YouTubes where he was saying "ah, um, er, ah, er" for about 10 of
>>>>>>>> those minutes?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're as bad as Meredith Viera. I thought she was going to suck
>>>>>>>> him off in the middle of an interview last year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The man's a Harvard Law graduate. He should be able to talk for
>>>>>>>> HOURS without a teleprompter. But he can't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The shrub couldn't talk for even 5 minutes without looking like and
>>>>>>>sounding like an idiot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nixon used "ah" even when he used his teleprompter.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes he did. Many of them do.
>>>>
>>>> The horror when the red herring is turned upon itself.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe he can come up with the reason why using a teleprompter for
>>>> prepared statements is worse than writing your most basic talking
>>>> points on your hand. You know something that should glibly fall from
>>>> your vocal cords as it you had a clue.
>>>
>>>I certainly think that politicians should *at least* be able to remember
>>>their own political stance well enough to spout it without crib notes on
>>>their palms. As for teleprompters; they don't bother me as they are
>>>used (mostly) for prepared speeches, not necessarily written by the
>>>speaker but *hopefully* espousing the speaker's agenda and as such the
>>>teleprompters allow the speaker to ramp up various parts of the speech
>>>for emphasis.
>>
>> They are a huge time saver.
>
> Definitely agreed. I've given speeches but never with a
> teleprompter. I can well imagine how handy they would be.
>
> The expenditure of tiime that would be
>> required to memorize a speech can be used elsewhere on important
>> matters. If all that is necessary is to give the speech accurately, it
>> does not matter.
>
> I agree with that.
>
>> BUT HE USES A TELEPROMPTER!
>>
>> HORRORS!!!
>>
>> <RUN AROUND HAIR ON FIRE>
>>
>> SARAH SAID SO!!!!
>
> I think the witch is nuts.

Ah, c'mon, you just envy her effect on any RED-BLOODED male. <vbg>


From: Sharx35 on


"pandora" <pandora(a)peak.org> wrote in message
news:zbudnV6lS8ljdlnWnZ2dnUVZ_tGqnZ2d(a)scnresearch.com...
> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 23:30:40 -0400, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:13:08 -0500, pandora wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:43:08 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:02:01 -0500, in the land of
>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, pandora <pandora(a)peak.org> got
>>>> double secret probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:38:52 -0400, Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:54:46 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>With this empty suited Bambi, you can't believe a damend thing he
>>>>>>>>says!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, that whole ability to use the English language <SLAP!>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Coming from someone who clearly doesn't understand it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, the Pres talked for 17 whole minutes. Wanna go through all the
>>>>>> YouTubes where he was saying "ah, um, er, ah, er" for about 10 of
>>>>>> those minutes?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're as bad as Meredith Viera. I thought she was going to suck him
>>>>>> off in the middle of an interview last year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The man's a Harvard Law graduate. He should be able to talk for
>>>>>> HOURS without a teleprompter. But he can't.
>>>>>
>>>>>The shrub couldn't talk for even 5 minutes without looking like and
>>>>>sounding like an idiot.
>>>>
>>>> Nixon used "ah" even when he used his teleprompter.
>>>
>>> Yes he did. Many of them do.
>>
>> Think of this: I don't remember Nixon, Carter or Ford,
>
> Nixon "ahhded", Carter had that southern accent ( :-) ), Ford
> well, he kept falling down.
>
> but when Reagan
>> got stuck with something he was not prepared for, he said, "Well,..."
>
> He usually didn't even know where he was.
>
>> When Bush the First got stuck, the hands started going. When Clinton got
>> caught off-guard,
>> he...would...pause...after...each...word...
>
> Maybe for emphasis? I've used that.
>
> Bush the II? Who could
>> figure? Perhaps that could be when he came out with a "Bushism" (Kind of
>> like a Spoonerism, but not as intelligent). It's hard to tell with GWB,
>> because it seems he was unprepared about 80% of the time. There were
>> times if you looked really hard, you could even see the strings...
>
> Indeed. It seemed to me his brain was off the track most of the time.
>
>> Obama? As far as I can see, he too is a puppet, with both Pelousy and
>> Reid stuffing their hands up as far as they could go.
>
> I like his speeches. I don't see him as a puppet at all. At least
> he can speak and doesn't *sound* like an idiot. If he manages to do
> anything good for this country (that is IF the repugs will let him),
> I'll be very happy with him.
>
>> I'd rather have had Hillary in office, and if you knew me, you'd know
>> THAT is a real stretch.
>
> I agreed with Hilary, it wasn't the right time. It may be in 2012.
> How about Hilary running against Sarah? Now THAT would be a race!

On THAT note, I'd have to agree! You do NOT get into the governorship of ANY
state by being a dummy!


From: Hachiroku ハチロク on
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:52:41 -0600, §nühw0£f wrote:

> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:24:27 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>>
>>>>> Yeah, that whole ability to use the English language and speak for 17
>>>>> minutes off the cuff with almost perfect pronounciation, diction and
>>>>> syntax is clearly evident the teleprompter is his crutch.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Coming from someone who clearly doesn't understand it.
>>> So what is your "cogizent level" today?
>>>
>>> So what is the negative of using a teleprompter for prepared remarks,
>>> specifically?
>>
>> What's wrong with having your notes in your palm? A lot of people use
>> index cards. One has to take a teleprompter to the sixth grade with him.
>>
>>
> Ok, lemme 'splain this to ye one more time...its disingenuous and
> hypocritical for Palin to critique Obama for using telepropters or notes
> when she does it herself.
>
> Whats sauce for the goose, is also sauce for the gander.
>
> Word.


Notes are a LOT different from having every word you're going to say
displayed for you.