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From: JoeSpareBedroom on 8 Mar 2007 11:05 <rm(a)biteme.org> wrote in message news:osWHh.183269$_X1.124190(a)fe05.news.easynews.com... > Jeff <news(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > >> #3) PC: A type of personal computer, first made by IBM, with an >> architecture >> based on the 8086 and later, related processors, that run MS-DOS and >> later >> Windows. That includes most Dells, Gateways, HPs, Compaqs, but excludes >> non-Intel Apples. > > The IBM PC never ran an 8086, doofus. The first PC ran on an 8088, > while everybody else used the older, but more powerful, 8086. > >> The point is that IBM designed the original architecture that >> became the mainstay of home and business desktop computing > > No, they didn't. The 8088 was descended from the 8080 which ran > the CP/M OS that MS(PC)DOS copied. > > Learn your history. > > cordially, as always, > > rm Wow. You guys have so much stuff memorized.
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 8 Mar 2007 11:07 "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message news:45f03365$1(a)kcnews01... > > "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:UpTHh.4379$B25.374(a)news01.roc.ny... > >> Yes. Compared to all other car commercials from all other companies. All >> other commercials are factual and unretouched. Got it. > > It seems to me that Toyota runs three type of commercials > > 1) - The feel good no content commercials - remember the initial "Moving > Forward" commercials with a tire rolling around? Or the recent RAV4 > commercials with a RAV4 running around on an illustrated background. These > seem to be content free. > 2) - Silly commercials - all the Tacoma commercial - the meteor striking a > Tacoma, the girl friend pushing the Tacoma off a cliff, the sea monster > grabbing a Tacoma, the Tacoma washing out to sea, etc. Again content free > commercials that don't seem to mean anything. > 3) Insulting commercials - Mostly these are stupid Tundra comparison > commercials. The launching ramp commercial is one. What does it mean? I > mean if you control the doors, the length of the ramp, and use a tether to > make sure the truck stops, what have you proved? I used to get > particularly mad at the "old" Tundra commercial where they showed the > Tundra double cab carrying boards that were three inches to long to fit in > the bed of a Ford SuperCrew. If they had been standard length boards, it > might have been meaningful, but the boards were especially cut to length > to just barely fit in the Tundra. So although it was true, it showed a > meaningless comparison. It was an attempt to mislead people. Basically > dishonest, even if factually true. > > And your point that other companies run misleading commercial is true, but > none seem to go as far over the line as Toyota. I always want to call GM > when I see ads that call the Silverado "the longest lasting, most > dependable truck." What does that mean? And now I see Dodge making the > same claim. And of course I am sure all Toyota truck owners disagree.... > > I guess the launching ramp commercial just really got under my skin. It > includes text that says "actual demonstration>" Again this is factually > true, but designed to be misleading. If they had left the tether in the > picture and then I would have thought the commercial was merely silly. But > by disguising the tether, it moved over the line into an outright lie. Only a complete idiot would think that commercial was made without massive safety measures in place. And, the same idiot will try a stunt like that without ever having seen it done in a commercial.
From: DH on 8 Mar 2007 11:08 "Jeff" <news(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message news:F0VHh.8346$1g.2978(a)trndny05... > > "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:bKUHh.4480$ya1.2152(a)news02.roc.ny... >> "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message >> news:45f017a3$1(a)kcnews01... >> >>> >>> IBM doesn't call them main frames anymore. They are Series Z Servers >>> these days. >>> >>>> Actually, it still sells mainframes and servicers (and makes money at >>>> it), but its main product is consulting services to other businesses. >>>> Especially software and services related to e-commerce. >>> >>> And it is barely profitable despite all the positive spin reported by >>> the rpess. Get into the numebrs sometime. And IBM is moving as much of >>> the actual "work": as they can to India and China. >> >> >> Who is their biggest competitor in the mainframe category these days? > > I don't think they have one. DEC doesn't make Vaxes any more. > > The other US mainframe companies don't make them anymore, either. > > For the vast majority of applications, mainframes have been replaced by > servers and PCs. Big names in servers include Sun and HP. Linux and > Solaris are the biggest OSes, I think. Server farms, like those used by > Google and Yahoo also do what mainframes used to do. > > But IBM still sells a few thousand mainframes a year. > > Jeff Their direct mainframe competitors (360/370 architecture) were, most recently, Amdahl and Hitachi and I am pretty certain they've both exited the business. A fast Google suggests IBM is all alone. Could be good margins in that business for IBM, now. However, highly parallel and highly SMP systems organized around the x86 and Sun architectures are increasingly taking over on high-end tasks. I hope I live long enough to see the death of COBOL. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
From: C. E. White on 8 Mar 2007 11:24 "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:vxWHh.4488$ya1.4059(a)news02.roc.ny... > Only a complete idiot would think that commercial was made without > massive safety measures in place. And, the same idiot will try a > stunt like that without ever having seen it done in a commercial. When I first saw the launching ramp commercial I assumed it was a complete fake (i.e., the ramp didn't extend over a canyon, that was faked in later), but hen a friend said he read it was a true demonstration, and it does say "actual demonstration" on the screen. Well it quit being an "actual demonstration" when they hid the tether. It moved over the line into a faked demonstration at that point. If they had showed the tether, it would have merely been another pointless Toyota commercial instead of a lie. What do you think about the Lexus IS commercial where they show one Lexus driving 10,000 feet in less time than it takes another to be dropped from 10,000 feet? Don't you think that is totally stupid? If they wanted to impress me, they should have started the Lexus on the ground from a standing start at the same moment they released the other from 10,000 feet. As the commercial was actually done, I could have accomplished the same feat in my 1972 Pinto. They tried to create the illusion that the IS could accelerate really fast by carefully cutting the scenes, but if you pay attention, you release that at the moment they released the car from the helicopter, the IS on the ground was already at speed. The dropped car was accelerating at less than 1G. The car on the ground only had to be driven at some steady state speed that made sure it passed the target before the other car hit the ground. Now if they had done a standing start for both.....That might have been fun. Ed
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 8 Mar 2007 11:29
"C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message news:45f0394c$1(a)kcnews01... > > "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:vxWHh.4488$ya1.4059(a)news02.roc.ny... > >> Only a complete idiot would think that commercial was made without >> massive safety measures in place. And, the same idiot will try a stunt >> like that without ever having seen it done in a commercial. > > When I first saw the launching ramp commercial I assumed it was a complete > fake (i.e., the ramp didn't extend over a canyon, that was faked in > later), but hen a friend said he read it was a true demonstration, and it > does say "actual demonstration" on the screen. Well it quit being an > "actual demonstration" when they hid the tether. It moved over the line > into a faked demonstration at that point. If they had showed the tether, > it would have merely been another pointless Toyota commercial instead of a > lie. > > What do you think about the Lexus IS commercial where they show one Lexus > driving 10,000 feet in less time than it takes another to be dropped from > 10,000 feet? Don't you think that is totally stupid? If they wanted to > impress me, they should have started the Lexus on the ground from a > standing start at the same moment they released the other from 10,000 > feet. As the commercial was actually done, I could have accomplished the > same feat in my 1972 Pinto. They tried to create the illusion that the IS > could accelerate really fast by carefully cutting the scenes, but if you > pay attention, you release that at the moment they released the car from > the helicopter, the IS on the ground was already at speed. The dropped car > was accelerating at less than 1G. The car on the ground only had to be > driven at some steady state speed that made sure it passed the target > before the other car hit the ground. Now if they had done a standing start > for both.....That might have been fun. > > > Ed I honestly don't care about commercials, although the "magic fridge" beer commercial is excellent. Commercials are fictional representations of whatever. |