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From: DH on 7 Mar 2007 15:42 "Jeff" <news(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message news:9DEHh.8543$Ih.3176(a)trnddc02... > "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message > news:s72dnTx6N6_Kk3LYnZ2dnUVZ_ruknZ2d(a)ptd.net... >> Apparently not all Scion owners are pleased with Toyotas 'Box car.' >> There are lot of them sitting on used car lots and the used car lots of >> other brand dealers. We hear that Toyota owners buy Toyotas because they >> believe they will last longer, thus they keep their cars longer, much >> like one would 'keep' a refrigerator. When one considers how short a >> time Scions have been on the market, in the US and how few they sell, it >> seems odd to see so many on used lots already. Curious ;) >> >> mike > > Toyota has the highest buyer loyalty, that is, the highest percent of > people who own a brand of vehicle who buy another one. Toyota also had the > highest buyer loyalty for midsized SUV (Lexus), Compact Pickup (Tacoma), > prestige luxary car (LS 430) and midsize car (Camry). > > http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/19/Autos/loyalty/index.htm I saw the CR auto issue today; Toyota owners are very loyal. Between them, Honda/Acura and Toyota/Lexus/Scion make up not quite half the cars with 80% "yes" responses to "Would you buy this car again?" GM, Ford and Chrysler only got "yes" responses at the 80% level for the Corvette, Mustang (V8 only, the V6 does not get that loyalty), Solstice (wait 'til they've owned it a few years and enjoyed that legendary Pontiac quality), Charger, Lucerne, Tahoe and Yukon. None of the domestics' vaunted pickups reached 80% "yes" levels and many did no better than 50% (interpretation: the Tundra DOES stand a chance of stealing business). For those annoyed by these statistics and interested in revisiting the entirely bullshit allegations of CR bias in favor of imports, CR listed the Fusion as one of the four "Most Impressive" new cars (so would I) and the Yaris as one of the "Most Disappointing." None of their "Fun to Drive" picks are Toyotas (Hey! My Ravs are fun to drive!). That list includes the Corvette, Focus ZX4 ST and Cadillac CTS-V. To its credit, Detroit is producing some pretty good cars and CR does recognize this (I never thought I'd live long enough to see a "Fun to Drive" Cadillac, grandpa's were all total barges). However, Detroit is still playing catch-up in a lot of areas (see CR's reliability rankings) and CR did not recommend any Detroit brands as Top 10 picks (reliability counts - sorry Rick, Al and Dr. Z). > And, just because a Toyota is sitting on a Ford used car lot doesn't mean > that the Toyota was traded in for a Ford dealer. Used cars are often > bought wholesale and sold to dealers for resale. > > Jeff >> "Mark" <bogusmailmark(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1173276006.767933.114560(a)q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com... >>> Not arguing the similarity between the xB and the Element, but there >>> are three models of Scion (tC owner). -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
From: Jeff on 7 Mar 2007 16:09 "DH" <dh(a)stargate.com> wrote in message news:45ef17a0$0$5559$88260bb3(a)free.teranews.com... > "Jeff" <news(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message > news:9DEHh.8543$Ih.3176(a)trnddc02... >> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message >> news:s72dnTx6N6_Kk3LYnZ2dnUVZ_ruknZ2d(a)ptd.net... >>> Apparently not all Scion owners are pleased with Toyotas 'Box car.' >>> There are lot of them sitting on used car lots and the used car lots of >>> other brand dealers. We hear that Toyota owners buy Toyotas because >>> they believe they will last longer, thus they keep their cars longer, >>> much like one would 'keep' a refrigerator. When one considers how short >>> a time Scions have been on the market, in the US and how few they sell, >>> it seems odd to see so many on used lots already. Curious ;) >>> >>> mike >> >> Toyota has the highest buyer loyalty, that is, the highest percent of >> people who own a brand of vehicle who buy another one. Toyota also had >> the highest buyer loyalty for midsized SUV (Lexus), Compact Pickup >> (Tacoma), prestige luxary car (LS 430) and midsize car (Camry). >> >> http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/19/Autos/loyalty/index.htm > > I saw the CR auto issue today; Toyota owners are very loyal. Between > them, Honda/Acura and Toyota/Lexus/Scion make up not quite half the cars > with 80% "yes" responses to "Would you buy this car again?" GM, Ford and > Chrysler only got "yes" responses at the 80% level for the Corvette, > Mustang (V8 only, the V6 does not get that loyalty), Solstice (wait 'til > they've owned it a few years and enjoyed that legendary Pontiac quality), > Charger, Lucerne, Tahoe and Yukon. None of the domestics' vaunted pickups > reached 80% "yes" levels and many did no better than 50% (interpretation: > the Tundra DOES stand a chance of stealing business). More Ford F-150 buyers were repeat buyers than any other brand. And GM has the highest buyer loyalty for a car maker. > For those annoyed by these statistics and interested in revisiting the > entirely bullshit allegations of CR bias in favor of imports, CR listed > the Fusion as one of the four "Most Impressive" new cars (so would I) and > the Yaris as one of the "Most Disappointing." None of their "Fun to > Drive" picks are Toyotas (Hey! My Ravs are fun to drive!). That list > includes the Corvette, Focus ZX4 ST and Cadillac CTS-V. I opinion is that CR and Car and Driver are biased towards the Japanese. Biased doesn't mean that they won't pick American cars, but being from Toyota, Nissan, Honda or Subaru makes it easier to get picked. > To its credit, Detroit is producing some pretty good cars and CR does > recognize this (I never thought I'd live long enough to see a "Fun to > Drive" Cadillac, grandpa's were all total barges). However, Detroit is > still playing catch-up in a lot of areas (see CR's reliability rankings) > and CR did not recommend any Detroit brands as Top 10 picks (reliability > counts - sorry Rick, Al and Dr. Z). However, while most Toyota models are reliable, the Michigan 3 do make some reliable cars. And some very unrliable cars, too. And, the Michigan 3 trucks are also very reliable. I don't know if the Toyotae and Honda Ridgeline will stack up against them, yet. Jeff <...>
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 7 Mar 2007 16:13 "Jeff" <news(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message news:MRFHh.14714$zh.11891(a)trnddc08... > > However, while most Toyota models are reliable, the Michigan 3 do make > some reliable cars. And some very unrliable cars, too. > Jeff The problem for the D-3 is that many of their victims have chosen not to forget what they went through. I certainly won't. I don't care WHAT they make now. I'd need a 5 year money back guarantee before I'd touch another D-3 car. My definition of "car" includes "standard maintenance is fine", and "no problems that indicate sloppiness, for the life of the car, which in my mind is around 200k miles". Around 5 years, I'll know if I was sold a car, or a prank.
From: Mike Hunter on 7 Mar 2007 16:23 Only in your world is that true. What color is the sky in your world? ;) mike "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant(a)mindspring.net> wrote in message news:k83uu29fhv34aetlj3ju7mh7g0iofa7lb4(a)4ax.com... > On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:58:39 -0500, "Mike Hunter" > <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote: > >>How can that be when GM sells far more cars than Toyota, not to mention >>the >>trucks GM sells at a rate of six to one over Toyota?. >> >>Regardless of what all the Toyota lover think, Americans must really think >>GM is 'better' than Toyota ;) >> >> >>mike > > GM has to sell 6 to one.... > > the six last as long as one Toyota... > > > -- > > Scott in Florida > > >
From: Scott in Florida on 7 Mar 2007 16:27
Right now it is a beautiful shade of blue... Pretty damned nice.... On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:23:21 -0500, "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote: >Only in your world is that true. What color is the sky in your world? ;) > >mike > >"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant(a)mindspring.net> wrote in message >news:k83uu29fhv34aetlj3ju7mh7g0iofa7lb4(a)4ax.com... >> On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:58:39 -0500, "Mike Hunter" >> <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote: >> >>>How can that be when GM sells far more cars than Toyota, not to mention >>>the >>>trucks GM sells at a rate of six to one over Toyota?. >>> >>>Regardless of what all the Toyota lover think, Americans must really think >>>GM is 'better' than Toyota ;) >>> >>> >>>mike >> >> GM has to sell 6 to one.... >> >> the six last as long as one Toyota... >> >> >> -- >> >> Scott in Florida >> >> >> > -- Scott in Florida |