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From: Mike Hunter on 7 Mar 2007 16:37 That chart merely shows GM had a higher percentage of the smaller market back then. GM today still sells more vehicles than they did in day of yor. The premise of the article was who sells the better vehicles in teh US. You guys may well believe Toyotas are better, but American buyers say GM and Ford, as well, are better when it comes time to spend their money. They both still outsell Toyota in the US. It is nice for a runner to say. 'I did better in this race than I have in any race I've ever run.' But if he didn't win, he still lost every race.no matter their standing at the finish . ;) mike "mack" <mackerel(a)dslextreme.com> wrote in message news:12uu3ogapfvol3f(a)corp.supernews.com... > > "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:I0EHh.4332$B25.2244(a)news01.roc.ny... >> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message >> news:WISdnRS5gb4blnLYnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d(a)ptd.net... >>> How can that be when GM sells far more cars than Toyota, not to mention >>> the trucks GM sells at a rate of six to one over Toyota?. >>> >>> Regardless of what all the Toyota lover think, Americans must really >>> think GM is 'better' than Toyota ;) >>> >>> mike >> >> >> Calm down, Mike. > Mike doesn't like to be confused with facts, like the graphic showing the > GM red line heading south for the past 27 years, and the two other > Michigan mfrs barely holding their head above water. >
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 7 Mar 2007 16:39 "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message news:eqGdnagmvZYjrXLYnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d(a)ptd.net... > That chart merely shows GM had a higher percentage of the smaller market > back then. GM today still sells more vehicles than they did in day of > yor. > > The premise of the article was who sells the better vehicles in teh US. > You guys may well believe Toyotas are better, but American buyers say GM > and Ford, as well, are better when it comes time to spend their money. > They both still outsell Toyota in the US. I wonder if price has anything to do with it. What do you think?
From: Mike Hunter on 7 Mar 2007 19:52 What I said was logic indicates GM must be best in the minds of the most buyers, since more buyer choose to buy what they sell. over any other. GM is a car company. Ford is a car company. Toyota is a car company. GM out sells Ford and both outsold Toyota and they did so by millions of vehicles in 2006. They are still outselling Toyotas in 2007. Pretty basic stuff here. Logic says more buyers must think the Camry is the best midsize car and more buyers must think the Civic is the best small car. However more buyers most think GM cars, in general, are better than either, or any others, since GM sells more cars in the US than any other. The Camry is the best selling car in the US not the Corolla. The Civic is the best selling SMALL car in the US not the Corolla. The Corollas, sold around the world at the same time over the years, are and were not the same car, only the same name You however are free to continue to believe whatever you choose. mike "Jeff" <news(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message news:twGHh.14787$zh.288(a)trnddc08... > > "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message > news:v-mdnaBtoIq8rHLYnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d(a)ptd.net... >> You are free to believe whatever you choose. >> >> >> mike >> >> >> "Jeff" <news(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message >> news:EtEHh.8499$Ih.7065(a)trnddc02... > > You said that GM is better because it sells "far more cars than Toyota." > Then I point out that Toyota and GM sell about the same number of cars, > with GM selling about 2.5% more cars. > > I also pointed out that the Corolla is the best selling car (and actually, > it is the best selling vehicle of all time, surpassing even the F150 > series). > > Then you tell me: "You are free to believe whatever you choose." > > You make an argument, I show you that your argument is faulty (unless 2.5% > more is really "far more") and that is the best that you can do? > > I would also point out that, based on your argument, Toyota is better > automaker than Ford, which sold about 71,000 cars last month, about 33% > less than Toyota. > > However, the number of sales don't show that GM is better than Ford, any > more than it shows that Toyota is better than Ford. > > I was hoping that you could participate in a discussion in a more positive > way. > > It reminds me of when my little cousin would put her fingers in her ears > and start singing when I wanted to tell her something she didn't want to > hear. > > Jeff
From: dh on 7 Mar 2007 20:47 "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:6WFHh.4344$B25.4100(a)news01.roc.ny... > "Jeff" <news(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message > news:MRFHh.14714$zh.11891(a)trnddc08... > >> However, while most Toyota models are reliable, the Michigan 3 do make >> some reliable cars. And some very unrliable cars, too. >> Jeff > > The problem for the D-3 is that many of their victims have chosen not to > forget what they went through. I certainly won't. I don't care WHAT they > make now. I'd need a 5 year money back guarantee before I'd touch another > D-3 car. My definition of "car" includes "standard maintenance is fine", > and "no problems that indicate sloppiness, for the life of the car, which > in my mind is around 200k miles". Around 5 years, I'll know if I was sold > a car, or a prank. I'm willing to give Detroit a chance but only after I see evidence that they're building cars that measure up. Right now, Detroit product is very inexpensive. If it's not also cheap, it's a deal. But I haven't seen that evidence, yet. My wife agrees with you. She guarantees it will be a cold day in Hell before another Ford graces our driveway. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
From: dh on 7 Mar 2007 20:52
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message news:eqGdnagmvZYjrXLYnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d(a)ptd.net... > That chart merely shows GM had a higher percentage of the smaller market > back then. GM today still sells more vehicles than they did in day of > yor. > > The premise of the article was who sells the better vehicles in teh US. > You guys may well believe Toyotas are better, but American buyers say GM > and Ford, as well, are better when it comes time to spend their money. > They both still outsell Toyota in the US. > > It is nice for a runner to say. 'I did better in this race than I have in > any race I've ever run.' But if he didn't win, he still lost every > race.no matter their standing at the finish . ;) > > mike If our CEO sees that the market for one of our products is expanding and our unit volume and profitability is not expanding with it, then I can tell you the names of the managers for that product: They are History and Gone And GM is cutting price and their share is plummeting? Only the densest fool would think this was a characteristic of the "best" car company and I can also tell you the name of that densest fool: That is "mike hunt" > "mack" <mackerel(a)dslextreme.com> wrote in message > news:12uu3ogapfvol3f(a)corp.supernews.com... >> >> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:I0EHh.4332$B25.2244(a)news01.roc.ny... >>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message >>> news:WISdnRS5gb4blnLYnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d(a)ptd.net... >>>> How can that be when GM sells far more cars than Toyota, not to mention >>>> the trucks GM sells at a rate of six to one over Toyota?. >>>> >>>> Regardless of what all the Toyota lover think, Americans must really >>>> think GM is 'better' than Toyota ;) >>>> >>>> mike >>> >>> >>> Calm down, Mike. >> Mike doesn't like to be confused with facts, like the graphic showing the >> GM red line heading south for the past 27 years, and the two other >> Michigan mfrs barely holding their head above water. >> > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |