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From: Jeff on 8 Mar 2007 09:56 "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message news:45f02319$0$27176$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... > Jeff wrote: > >> Unforunately, it lost out on the PC, which it invented. > > Huh? It invented the IBM PC. The personal computer preceded it by 5-10 > years, depending on your definition of personal computer. > > Probably the Apple II and the Commodore PET, April 1977 were the first > machines that could be considered personal computers. The Apple I was before the Apple II. Jeff
From: C. E. White on 8 Mar 2007 10:02 "Jeff" <news(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message news:twGHh.14787$zh.288(a)trnddc08... > I also pointed out that the Corolla is the best selling car (and > actually, it is the best selling vehicle of all time, surpassing > even the F150 series). This is a ridiculous claim. Maybe the Corolla "name" has been on more cars than any other "model" name, but the 1966 Corolla is no more related to a 2006 Corolla than a 1966 Falcon is related to a 2006 Fusion. Sticking the same name on completely different cars does not make it the "best selling car of all times." It make the "Corolla" name the most used car name of all times - maybe. But why not just lump all Fords together and claim Ford is the best selling car of all times? Ford Model T, Ford Model A, Ford Falcon, Ford Mustang...they were all "Fords". At least with the VW Beetle there is a clear relationship between the late 1930's "Peoples Car" and the last rear engine Beetle to roll off the line in 2003. Trying to claim that more Toyota Corollas were sold instead of Beetles is just silly. Pick a Corolla family and then stack that up against the Beetle, or even the Model T. Don't try to lump anything "called" a Corolla into a single model. Wikipedia lists 10 generations of Corollas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Corolla). Pick one. Ed
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 8 Mar 2007 10:11 "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message news:45f02319$0$27176$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... > Jeff wrote: > >> Unforunately, it lost out on the PC, which it invented. > > Huh? It invented the IBM PC. The personal computer preceded it by 5-10 > years, depending on your definition of personal computer. > > Probably the Apple II and the Commodore PET, April 1977 were the first > machines that could be considered personal computers. Is it possible this debate is about two definitions of the same thing? #1) PC: A generic term for (guess what?) - a personal computer, which would include those from Apple, Dell, Gateway and every other manufacturer you can recall at the moment? #2) PC: A brand name registered by IBM for their version of the above.
From: C. E. White on 8 Mar 2007 10:13 "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message news:45f02319$0$27176$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... > Jeff wrote: > >> Unforunately, it lost out on the PC, which it invented. > > Huh? It invented the IBM PC. The personal computer preceded it by > 5-10 years, depending on your definition of personal computer. > > Probably the Apple II and the Commodore PET, April 1977 were the > first machines that could be considered personal computers. The 1975 IBM 5100 was a small, sort of portable computer. I think it has to be considered as the first "[personal computer" although it was expensive and not sold in stores:). The Apple 1 was released in 1976. Ed
From: Jeff on 8 Mar 2007 10:26
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:AIVHh.4485$ya1.2025(a)news02.roc.ny... > "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message > news:45f02319$0$27176$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... >> Jeff wrote: >> >>> Unforunately, it lost out on the PC, which it invented. >> >> Huh? It invented the IBM PC. The personal computer preceded it by 5-10 >> years, depending on your definition of personal computer. >> >> Probably the Apple II and the Commodore PET, April 1977 were the first >> machines that could be considered personal computers. > > > Is it possible this debate is about two definitions of the same thing? > > #1) PC: A generic term for (guess what?) - a personal computer, which > would include those from Apple, Dell, Gateway and every other manufacturer > you can recall at the moment? > > #2) PC: A brand name registered by IBM for their version of the above. #3) PC: A type of personal computer, first made by IBM, with an architecture based on the 8086 and later, related processors, that run MS-DOS and later Windows. That includes most Dells, Gateways, HPs, Compaqs, but excludes non-Intel Apples. The point is that IBM designed the original architecture that became the mainstay of home and business desktop computing, yet, they dropped the ball. But IBM managed to become a major player in eCommerce. Jeff |