From: Jeff on 7 Mar 2007 21:11
"dh" <dh(a)stargate.com> wrote in message
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> That chart merely shows GM had a higher percentage of the smaller market
>> back then. GM today still sells more vehicles than they did in day of
>> The premise of the article was who sells the better vehicles in teh US.
>> You guys may well believe Toyotas are better, but American buyers say GM
>> and Ford, as well, are better when it comes time to spend their money.
>> They both still outsell Toyota in the US.
>> It is nice for a runner to say. 'I did better in this race than I have in
>> any race I've ever run.' But if he didn't win, he still lost every
>> race.no matter their standing at the finish . ;)
> If our CEO sees that the market for one of our products is expanding and
> our unit volume and profitability is not expanding with it, then I can
> tell you the names of the managers for that product:
> They are History and Gone
> And GM is cutting price and their share is plummeting? Only the densest
> fool would think this was a characteristic of the "best" car company and I
> can also tell you the name of that densest fool:
> That is "mike hunt"
I do think Ford, GM and Chrysler, if it gets free of Diamler, have the
possibility of being good, solid companies once again. However, they have to
change their ways. If you read about Toyota and Honda, you will read about
how they have a company philosophy. For example, any worker at Toyota can
stop the assembly to fix a problem. The management really listens to the
workers and the costumers. Before Toyota and Honda became popular, the
Michigan 3, IMHO, didn't work that hard to get our business. They pretty
much had a captive market. Sure there were AMC with its Jeep, and the
occaisonal import, like Toyota, Datsun, Honda, VW, Mercedes and even those
weird French cars, one of which had poo as it first syllabol. (Actually, I
learned to drive on a Peugeot - I really liked the car - but they had
Ford, GM and Chrysler had many years to learn how to listen to the costumer
and create a good work culture, but they really haven't learned how to do.
Not Toyota and Honda have to learn new ways of bring their culture to other
parts of the world where they have plants.
If they change, they can make it.
If they don't they won't.
IBM did a great job of reinventing itself. Other companies can, too.
>> "mack" <mackerel(a)dslextreme.com> wrote in message
>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>>>> How can that be when GM sells far more cars than Toyota, not to
>>>>> mention the trucks GM sells at a rate of six to one over Toyota?.
>>>>> Regardless of what all the Toyota lover think, Americans must really
>>>>> think GM is 'better' than Toyota ;)
>>>> Calm down, Mike.
>>> Mike doesn't like to be confused with facts, like the graphic showing
>>> the GM red line heading south for the past 27 years, and the two other
>>> Michigan mfrs barely holding their head above water.
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From: C. E. White on 7 Mar 2007 22:19
"DH" <dh(a)stargate.com> wrote in message
> For those annoyed by these statistics and interested in revisiting the
> entirely bullshit allegations of CR bias in favor of imports, CR listed
> the Fusion as one of the four "Most Impressive" new cars (so would I) and
> the Yaris as one of the "Most Disappointing." None of their "Fun to
> Drive" picks are Toyotas (Hey! My Ravs are fun to drive!).
RAV4 - fun to drive? I've driven one around a thousand miles. I'd never
confuse it with a car that was "fun to drive." Competent, yes, fun , no.
You must have a really dull life.
From: SMS on 7 Mar 2007 22:53
> I also pointed out that the Corolla is the best selling car (and
> actually, it is the best selling vehicle of all time, surpassing even
> the F150 series).
The Camry is the best selling car in the U.S. for the past four years,
though worldwide the Corolla is the best selling car. Technically the VW
Beetle is the best selling car ever, if you don't allow for significant
body changes over the life of the car.
> However, the number of sales don't show that GM is better than Ford, any
> more than it shows that Toyota is better than Ford.
"Better" is so subjective. Is this based on profitability, most units
sold, reliability, safety, or what?
From: Wickeddoll� on 7 Mar 2007 23:02
"SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message
> Jeff wrote:
>> I also pointed out that the Corolla is the best selling car (and
>> actually, it is the best selling vehicle of all time, surpassing even the
>> F150 series).
> The Camry is the best selling car in the U.S. for the past four years,
> though worldwide the Corolla is the best selling car. Technically the VW
> Beetle is the best selling car ever, if you don't allow for significant
> body changes over the life of the car.
For me, it's reliability.
>> However, the number of sales don't show that GM is better than Ford, any
>> more than it shows that Toyota is better than Ford.
> "Better" is so subjective. Is this based on profitability, most units
> sold, reliability, safety, or what?
From: rm on 8 Mar 2007 01:44
Jeff <news(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
> Unforunately, it lost out on the PC, which it invented.
Actually most people recognize the Apple II as the first "PC." IBM
simply sold the first mass marketed computer using the 8088 chip.
cordially, as always,