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From: Mike Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 18:35 Do you believe those 34 intended to kill themselves? If it wasn't unintended acceleration, then it must have been intended acceleration ;) "Hachiroku" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:pan.2010.02.24.01.48.16.141000(a)e86.GTS... > On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:59:15 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: > >> Seems you are forgetting it is hard for the NHTSA and the new media to >> ignore 34 deaths among Toyota owners in the past year. > > > With how many directly attributable to unintended acceleration? > Not *ALLEGED* unintentional acceleration? > > Any answer but "I don't know" is total BS. > >
From: charlesgrozny on 23 Feb 2010 19:00 "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message news:hm1epo$t0h$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "charlesgrozny" <n5hsr(a)sprynet.com> wrote in message > news:q8-dnXdVxM5GqBnWnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> As usual, Mike, ya got it backwards. >> >> GM was stuck in the 50's in many ways for over 2 decades. The outside >> sheet metal got changed and engines got bigger, but a lot of things that >> were problems in the 50's remained unaddressed in the 60's, 70's and even >> the 80's. For instance, that bane of bodies, RUST. I had a 95 S-10 that >> still rusted worse in 4 years than ANY Toyota I've ever owned, even the >> 15 and 20 year old ones. > > While you mat not have had problems with Toyota rusting, I certainly did. > Mid 80's Cressida started rusting in less than 3 years in NC (not a high > salt state). > > You don't think Toyota was stuck in the 50's for many years? > >> And I wouldn't talk, Mr F***ed Over Rebuilt Dodge. Ford basically >> stopped innovating in the 1930's. They've got a long way to go to prove >> they can meet what Toyota used to be. Ford was the last car to get rid >> of cable brakes in 1940. > > Ford didn't use cable to operate the brakes. They used rods and > bellcranks. Henry Ford didn't trust hydraulic brakes. It certainly didn't > save money. I actually sort of understand old Henry's problem with > hydrualic brakes. On my farm we have tractors with both hydraulic and > mechanical brakes. Tractors tend to sit a lot (like from October to March) > and the d&*@n hydraulic brakes often fail to work. I've never had the > mechanical brakes fail. > > Ed > The only brake failure I ever had was on a machine where the kid mechanic that the head mechanic had do the job didn't adjust the rear brakes right when he put the new shoes on. I drove it off the lot, took it out a mile or so onto the backroads, tested it, found that it was pulling strongly to the right and drove it right back to the shop. Doesn't mean it can't happen, but I'm mentally going over likely part failures. Modern seal material shouldn't be a problem. I would think modern hoses to run the bit between the solid brake line and the moving wheel might be a possible point of failure. Toyota stuck in the 50's? I drove a 72 Carina that was light years ahead of the 62 Corvair we'd had before that. You must also drive a F***ed Over Rebuilt Dodge. The few non-truck Fords I've driven: 68 Mustang. 289, very nose heavy. A/T at least as soft as our Powerglide. Brakes a bit soft. Steering slow. 74 LTD (Driver's Ed) All controls much slower to react than the Corvair we were driving at the time. 77 LTD II Ate three times the gas my car did, bounced around on country roads like a baby buggy, and when the girlfriend drove, I kept banging my knees on the dash. Charles Grozny
From: charlesgrozny on 23 Feb 2010 19:06 "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message news:4b846315$1$525$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... > Can I assume you never owned a Toyepet in the late fifties? ;) > > > "charlesgrozny" <n5hsr(a)sprynet.com> wrote in message > news:q8-dnXdVxM5GqBnWnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> As usual, Mike, ya got it backwards. >> >> GM was stuck in the 50's in many ways for over 2 decades. The outside >> sheet metal got changed and engines got bigger, but a lot of things that >> were problems in the 50's remained unaddressed in the 60's, 70's and even >> the 80's. For instance, that bane of bodies, RUST. I had a 95 S-10 that >> still rusted worse in 4 years than ANY Toyota I've ever owned, even the >> 15 and 20 year old ones. >> >> Charles Grozny >> > > Nope, but I've seen a 65 Crown, and it already had quality above what the Big Three were offering. Even Toyota was stuck in the 50's IN THE FIFTIES. Damn, boy. In the 50's Toyota was doing what everyone else was doing, but they started away from that. Every GM product I've ever owned or driven has had some sort of rust problem. I've had some Toyotas 20 years and had a lot less rust problems. And that's driving them up here in Salt Country. And PS, the 50's Fords were some of the ugliest cars I've ever seen. Only the 58 Impala was on the same level of ugly. I've never got more than 90,000 miles out of any American vehicle I've ever owned. Driving the same way, I've put 200,000 on two Corollas now, and 100,000 on two others with my current vehicle having 141,000 miles on it. Charles Grozny
From: tww1491 on 23 Feb 2010 19:10 "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message news:4b846315$1$525$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... > Can I assume you never owned a Toyepet in the late fifties? ;) I sure remember those when I was Japan in the mid 60s. Ugh! On the other hand, there were some great cars running around Tokyo during those years -- Datsun 2000, Prince Skylines -- and my Sunbeam Tiger. > > > "charlesgrozny" <n5hsr(a)sprynet.com> wrote in message > news:q8-dnXdVxM5GqBnWnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> As usual, Mike, ya got it backwards. >> >> GM was stuck in the 50's in many ways for over 2 decades. The outside >> sheet metal got changed and engines got bigger, but a lot of things that >> were problems in the 50's remained unaddressed in the 60's, 70's and even >> the 80's. For instance, that bane of bodies, RUST. I had a 95 S-10 that >> still rusted worse in 4 years than ANY Toyota I've ever owned, even the >> 15 and 20 year old ones. >> >> Charles Grozny >> > >
From: Mike Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 19:21
What's you point? You can not compare any manufactures vehicles today with what they made, even ten years ago, let alone forty years ago. Toyota makes good stuff but so does every other manufacturer today. I've saw thousands of Ford and other brands run to 300,000 and more, when I still owned my fleet service business, when given the proper preventive maintenance. "charlesgrozny" <n5hsr(a)sprynet.com> wrote in message news:rdqdnY4HgZ3u8BnWnZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > > "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message > news:4b846315$1$525$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... >> Can I assume you never owned a Toyepet in the late fifties? ;) >> >> >> "charlesgrozny" <n5hsr(a)sprynet.com> wrote in message >> news:q8-dnXdVxM5GqBnWnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>> As usual, Mike, ya got it backwards. >>> >>> GM was stuck in the 50's in many ways for over 2 decades. The outside >>> sheet metal got changed and engines got bigger, but a lot of things that >>> were problems in the 50's remained unaddressed in the 60's, 70's and >>> even the 80's. For instance, that bane of bodies, RUST. I had a 95 >>> S-10 that still rusted worse in 4 years than ANY Toyota I've ever owned, >>> even the 15 and 20 year old ones. >>> >>> Charles Grozny >>> >> >> > > Nope, but I've seen a 65 Crown, and it already had quality above what the > Big Three were offering. Even Toyota was stuck in the 50's IN THE > FIFTIES. > > Damn, boy. In the 50's Toyota was doing what everyone else was doing, but > they started away from that. Every GM product I've ever owned or driven > has had some sort of rust problem. I've had some Toyotas 20 years and had > a lot less rust problems. And that's driving them up here in Salt > Country. > > And PS, the 50's Fords were some of the ugliest cars I've ever seen. Only > the 58 Impala was on the same level of ugly. > > I've never got more than 90,000 miles out of any American vehicle I've > ever owned. Driving the same way, I've put 200,000 on two Corollas now, > and 100,000 on two others with my current vehicle having 141,000 miles on > it. > > Charles Grozny > |