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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 24 Feb 2010 21:39 On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:25:20 -0600, charlesgrozny wrote: > Mike, > > You need to put on your glasses when you read my posts. > > I said the Sh!tvette had old technology, a crummy 4 speed or an ancient > cheap automatic. > > My 1200 with a 4 speed could drive rings around the 1.6 Sh!tvette. I > don't think any American manufacturer had a 5 speed. Now the Corvette has > a 6 speed. > > And just because most Americans are damnably lazy, and voted for Jar Jar > Binks, doesn't mean they all are. I'm only driving an automatic because > in used cars, beggars can't be too choosy. > > Charles Grozny > The man without a country. I have a three-speed in my '89 Soob, but it is a REALLY good tranny, with AWD to boot. Problem is, it turns 4,000 rippems on the highway, so I usually stay off the Interstates with that car.
From: mm on 25 Feb 2010 00:30 On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:56:29 -0800 (PST), "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > > >I find it hard to believe that any computer-controlled car, whether >its throttle is operated directly by the pedal or through the >computer, wouldn't have a mechanism to constantly check for >abnormalities and take emergency action as needed. I do too, but doesn't Toyota admit that they didn't have, on at least some models, a circuit that turned off acceleration when the brake was pressed? I thought I heard that they are going to reprogram the cars now.
From: larry moe 'n curly on 25 Feb 2010 05:41 Mike Hunter wrote: > > "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly(a)my-deja.com> wrote in message > news:d9ba9858-1c4b-4328-8875-ded7f04e77ca(a)s36g2000prh.googlegroups.com... > > Do you believe those 34 intended to kill themselves? If it wasn't > unintended acceleration, then it must have been intended acceleration ;) > > > Do you believe those 34 were killed because of faults with their > > vehicles, as opposed to faults with their drivers? If not, how do > > you explain all the Ford Explorers crashing when their tires failed? > > I suppose I must believe Toyota when it admits they are not blaming drivers > but still do not KNOW what is causing their cars to go out of control. > They are looking into their micro processors, but have not yet found the > problem. > > If you do a search you will discover Employers were victims of the defective > Firestones tires made by the Japanese company, Bridgestone. > > Explorers that did not have Firestone tires were not effected. There are > still thousand of the mid eighties Explores still an the road today that are > no longer have a problem because all of the Firestone tires were recalled. Why should you believe that Toyota privately doesn't blame the drivers? Every car maker knows that most reports of unintended acceleration are baloney because vehicles tend to fail a lot less often than drivers do, only to say so publicly would be suicide, especially to jurors who hear lawsuits. And when tires blow, a lot of drivers panic and take exactly the wrong action, the kind that could flip the vehicle even if all the tires were intact, but it's still the auto maker's fault for not making their products perfect.
From: larry moe 'n curly on 25 Feb 2010 05:57 mm wrote: > > On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:56:29 -0800 (PST), "larry moe 'n curly" > <larrymoencurly(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > > > I find it hard to believe that any computer-controlled car, whether > > its throttle is operated directly by the pedal or through the > > computer, wouldn't have a mechanism to constantly check for > > abnormalities and take emergency action as needed. > > I do too, but doesn't Toyota admit that they didn't have, on at least > some models, a circuit that turned off acceleration when the brake was > pressed? I thought I heard that they are going to reprogram the cars > now. That's definitely a stupid failing of Toyota, but they should have designed their computer program to normally prevent runaway acceleration in the first place. For example, if the car is traveling 60 MPH, the engine is at 2,000 RPM, the gas pedal is barely pressed, and the manifold vacuum is high, the computer shouldn't speed up the engine to 6,000 RPM, but even if it happens, a second program monitoring conditions should prevent that.
From: Mike Hunter on 25 Feb 2010 10:43
There are few cars sold in the US that even offer a manual tranny today, except for the small and midget cars, or the sporty types "charlesgrozny" <n5hsr(a)sprynet.com> wrote in message news:-OOdnaO-z84dTBjWnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > Mike, > > You need to put on your glasses when you read my posts. > > I said the Sh!tvette had old technology, a crummy 4 speed or an ancient > cheap automatic. > > My 1200 with a 4 speed could drive rings around the 1.6 Sh!tvette. I > don't think any American manufacturer had a 5 speed. Now the Corvette has > a 6 speed. > > And just because most Americans are damnably lazy, and voted for Jar Jar > Binks, doesn't mean they all are. I'm only driving an automatic because > in used cars, beggars can't be too choosy. > > Charles Grozny > The man without a country. > |