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From: Hachiroku on 23 Feb 2010 10:02 On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:49:40 -0600, Bob Cooper wrote: >> It almost seems the NUMMI experiment backfired, and instead of Toyota >> teaching GM how to build a quality, reliable vehicle, GM taught Toyota >> how to lie and cheat...? > > Right. It's GM's fault. Let's try this: <sarcasm> It almost seems the NUMMI experiment backfired, and instead of Toyota teaching GM how to build a quality, reliable vehicle, GM taught Toyota how to lie and cheat...? </sarcasm> Help any? BTW, I just heard on the radio, a spokesman for GM saying, "We have ALWAYS complied with recall guidelines..." ROFLMAO!!! RIGHT!!!!
From: Bob Cooper on 23 Feb 2010 10:08 In article <hm0qlt$6dc$5(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Trueno(a)e86.GTS says... > > On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:49:40 -0600, Bob Cooper wrote: > > >> It almost seems the NUMMI experiment backfired, and instead of Toyota > >> teaching GM how to build a quality, reliable vehicle, GM taught Toyota > >> how to lie and cheat...? > > > > Right. It's GM's fault. > > Let's try this: > > <sarcasm> It almost seems the NUMMI experiment backfired, and instead of > Toyota teaching GM how to build a quality, reliable vehicle, GM taught > Toyota how to lie and cheat...? </sarcasm> > > Help any? > > BTW, I just heard on the radio, a spokesman for GM saying, "We have > ALWAYS complied with recall guidelines..." > > ROFLMAO!!! RIGHT!!!! Once again. It's GM'S fault. If you have a problem with that, then don't bring up GM when talking about Toyota. Pretty simple. If you can't manage that, it means it's GM's fault. Fine with me.
From: Clive on 23 Feb 2010 10:30 In message <hm0qlt$6dc$5(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Hachiroku <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> writes > It almost seems the NUMMI experiment backfired, and instead of >Toyota teaching GM how to build a quality, reliable vehicle, GM taught >Toyota how to lie and cheat...? Just what happened to Daimler and Chrysler, Daimler thought they could boot-strap Chrysler into a maker of reliable cars for the American market, instead Chrysler pulled Daimler down to it's level, now after a messy divorce, Daimler's reliability is seriously in question and they're having to through a lot of money at building reliability and prestige again. -- Clive
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 23 Feb 2010 10:41 "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message news:Xns9D286B5665EF6tegger(a)208.90.168.18... > Hachiroku <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in > news:hm0pij$6dc$4(a)news.eternal-september.org: > >> I think it's safe to say most people know I am a Toyota fan, but some >> of the stuff coming out in the news recently is not settling well with >> me. First there is the allegation that Toyota made a "deal" for a >> recall for floor mats that is being interpreted as a cover up for a >> wider problem. Now Toyota officials have been supoenaed to Congrees to >> testify what they knew about the situation, what they did, and what >> actions were (or weren't) taken. >> >> It appears even to me that in an effort to displace GM as the world's >> leading automaker Toyota may have done things not exactly in keeping >> with their corporate culture. It remains to be seen which side of the >> Pacific these measures originated from. > > > > > I have to admit a sense of unease now as well... > > The Wall Street Journal had an article a week or so ago that had to do > with > the culture of Japan, specifically in relation to the current Toyota > controversy. The article described how, while perfection is always the > goal, the failure to attain it is accompanied by deep social opprobrium. > Japanese culture thus offers considerable encouragement for Japanese to > keep mistakes from public view (to save face) but to fix them them on-the- > fly as quickly as possible. > > I wish I'd kept that article, so I could give a link here. Pictures don't match, but is this the article? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704533204575047370633234414.html
From: Bob Cooper on 23 Feb 2010 10:46
In article <DUfKFvKrS$gLFwnp(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk>, clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk says... > > In message <hm0qlt$6dc$5(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Hachiroku > <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> writes > > It almost seems the NUMMI experiment backfired, and instead of > >Toyota teaching GM how to build a quality, reliable vehicle, GM taught > >Toyota how to lie and cheat...? > Just what happened to Daimler and Chrysler, Daimler thought they could > boot-strap Chrysler into a maker of reliable cars for the American > market, instead Chrysler pulled Daimler down to it's level, now after a > messy divorce, Daimler's reliability is seriously in question and > they're having to through a lot of money at building reliability and > prestige again. Yes. Mind control and flouridated water are terrible when used for destructive purposes. Even when the source is a relatively small production line in California, the tenacles of evil can rapidly spread, encompassing the earth in a surprisingly short time. I recommend bringing all water to a rapid boil for at least 3 minutes, and the wearing of a tin-foil cap when near strangers. A 2000 mile check of precious bodily fluids is also a good precaution. |