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From: Tegger on 23 Feb 2010 10:51 "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in news:BGSgn.21785$e%2.14730(a)newsfe08.iad: > "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message > news:Xns9D286B5665EF6tegger(a)208.90.168.18... >> >> The Wall Street Journal had an article a week or so ago that had to >> do with >> the culture of Japan, specifically in relation to the current Toyota >> controversy. The article described how, while perfection is always >> the goal, the failure to attain it is accompanied by deep social >> opprobrium. Japanese culture thus offers considerable encouragement >> for Japanese to keep mistakes from public view (to save face) but to >> fix them them on-the- fly as quickly as possible. >> >> I wish I'd kept that article, so I could give a link here. > > Pictures don't match, but is this the article? > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487045332045750473706332344 > 14.html > > > That's it! -- Tegger
From: C. E. White on 23 Feb 2010 12:19 "Clive" <clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:DUfKFvKrS$gLFwnp(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk... > In message <hm0qlt$6dc$5(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Hachiroku > <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> writes >> It almost seems the NUMMI experiment backfired, and instead of >>Toyota teaching GM how to build a quality, reliable vehicle, GM >>taught >>Toyota how to lie and cheat...? > Just what happened to Daimler and Chrysler, Daimler thought they > could boot-strap Chrysler into a maker of reliable cars for the > American market, instead Chrysler pulled Daimler down to it's level, > now after a messy divorce, Daimler's reliability is seriously in > question and they're having to through a lot of money at building > reliability and prestige again. Youa re going to have to explain to me how Chrysler pulled Daimler down to it's level. I don't think Daimler sent a bunch of Chrysler managers to Germany to run things. Given the attitude of Germans I have worked with think, I think it is highly unlikely (impossible) that Daimler adopted any Chryler proceedures for building or evaluating vehicles. I've always liked German cars - at least when new. And a lot of the hard mechaical parts are excellent. But German electronics...well they suck. And since modern cars that are so heavily dependent on electronics, is it any surprise that German cars, particualrly older German cars, are having lots of problems? In Germany there are very few cars older than 8 years. German attitudes and German laws make it unpopular/impractical to keep cars much past eight years. So I think I can understand why 10 year old BMWs in the US always seem to have tail light out, burned up alternators, and power windows that don't work. Ed
From: Mike Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 12:47 It that was caused Toyotas current quality problems? "Clive" <clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:DUfKFvKrS$gLFwnp(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk... > In message <hm0qlt$6dc$5(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Hachiroku > <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> writes >> It almost seems the NUMMI experiment backfired, and instead of >>Toyota teaching GM how to build a quality, reliable vehicle, GM taught >>Toyota how to lie and cheat...? > Just what happened to Daimler and Chrysler, Daimler thought they could > boot-strap Chrysler into a maker of reliable cars for the American market, > instead Chrysler pulled Daimler down to it's level, now after a messy > divorce, Daimler's reliability is seriously in question and they're having > to through a lot of money at building reliability and prestige again. > -- > Clive >
From: charlesgrozny on 23 Feb 2010 13:35 "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message news:4b8412c1$0$10169$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... > It that was caused Toyotas current quality problems? > > "Clive" <clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message > news:DUfKFvKrS$gLFwnp(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk... >> In message <hm0qlt$6dc$5(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Hachiroku >> <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> writes >>> It almost seems the NUMMI experiment backfired, and instead of >>>Toyota teaching GM how to build a quality, reliable vehicle, GM taught >>>Toyota how to lie and cheat...? >> Just what happened to Daimler and Chrysler, Daimler thought they could >> boot-strap Chrysler into a maker of reliable cars for the American >> market, instead Chrysler pulled Daimler down to it's level, now after a >> messy divorce, Daimler's reliability is seriously in question and they're >> having to through a lot of money at building reliability and prestige >> again. >> -- >> Clive >> > > I think what we have here is the automotive manufacturing equivalent of Gresham's Law. (Gresham's Law: Bad money drives good money out of circulation. Proof of which was seen in 1965 when the Mint quit making silver dimes, quarters and halves and the 1964 and prior coins disappeared from circulation. nearly overnight.) Gresham's Law for Automotive Manufacturers. A good company partnering with a less-than-good company always drags the good company down. Charles Grozny
From: Mike Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 13:50
So that's what happened to GM. I did not know that ;) "charlesgrozny" <n5hsr(a)sprynet.com> wrote in message news:fLudnSNihZ11ghnWnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > > "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message > news:4b8412c1$0$10169$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... >> It that was caused Toyotas current quality problems? >> >> "Clive" <clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:DUfKFvKrS$gLFwnp(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk... >>> In message <hm0qlt$6dc$5(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Hachiroku >>> <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> writes >>>> It almost seems the NUMMI experiment backfired, and instead of >>>>Toyota teaching GM how to build a quality, reliable vehicle, GM taught >>>>Toyota how to lie and cheat...? >>> Just what happened to Daimler and Chrysler, Daimler thought they could >>> boot-strap Chrysler into a maker of reliable cars for the American >>> market, instead Chrysler pulled Daimler down to it's level, now after a >>> messy divorce, Daimler's reliability is seriously in question and >>> they're having to through a lot of money at building reliability and >>> prestige again. >>> -- >>> Clive >>> >> >> > > I think what we have here is the automotive manufacturing equivalent of > Gresham's Law. (Gresham's Law: Bad money drives good money out of > circulation. Proof of which was seen in 1965 when the Mint quit making > silver dimes, quarters and halves and the 1964 and prior coins disappeared > from circulation. nearly overnight.) > > Gresham's Law for Automotive Manufacturers. A good company partnering > with a less-than-good company always drags the good company down. > > Charles Grozny > > |