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From: Mike Hunter on 14 Feb 2010 10:07 That may be your opinion but the steel Dana uses to make Ford frames is made in the US and it is not failing LOL "Clive" <Clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:xFD32yRGRzdLFwoL(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk... > In message <D4ednbEvVo-erOrWnZ2dnUVZ_qdi4p2d(a)speakeasy.net>, jim beam > <me(a)privacy.net> writes >>>>>Why would Dana be sweating? The problem is in the steel that is made >>>>>by >>>>> Nippon LOL > As I said in another post, it's never the fault of the Merkins it's always > someone else. > -- > Clive >
From: Mike Hunter on 14 Feb 2010 10:14 Not quite, the steel used to manufacture frames is stamped from rolled steel, not cast steel. Steel made for castings and forgings are totally different amalgams. "jim" <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt,net> wrote in message news:fcadnWgoFOOBoerWnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d(a)bright.net... > > > jim beam wrote: >> >> On 02/13/2010 12:54 PM, Mike Hunter wrote: >> > Get real! Nippon makes the steel Dana is required to use by Toyota and >> > Lexus models that are being recalled are made in Japan >> >> that's utter bullshit. /any/ steel conforming to spec will do. > > Nope not BS. First of all the part in question is not made of steel, > but Ductile Iron and it isn't made by DANA or Toyota but is cast at > various US foundries. The particular iron alloy is indeed made in Japan > and supplied to the foundries. This is standard practice for Honda and > Toyota to supply the foundries with the iron alloy ingot. > From the sounds of it Dana identified a particular batch of castings > that were bad (Dana said that less than 2% of the parts shipped had the > defect) > > -jim
From: jim beam on 14 Feb 2010 10:22 On 02/14/2010 05:35 AM, jim wrote: > > > Clive wrote: >> >> In message<yrudnQlQs6lIy-rWnZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d(a)bright.net>, jim >> <sjedgingN0Sp(a)m.?.invalid> writes >>> Obviously, the Japanese car makers forgot to consult your advice on the >>> matter. They may well prefer to ship the finished part, but congress has >>> managed to make the economics work out that the part gets made in the >>> US. >>> BTW, Most of the steel used in US autos comes from this guy: >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakshmi_Mittal >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> From the sounds of it Dana identified a particular batch of castings >>>>> that were bad (Dana said that less than 2% of the parts shipped had the >>>>> defect) >> If Dana knew there was a defect in the steel, why did they use it, >> surely they bear the responsibility for using a known faulty product? > > Surely, you are ignorant of the facts. > > The material the part is made of is not steel and the announcement did > not say the material used was defective. The defect is said to be due > to a failure in the manufacturing process control. And Dana is the one > who reported the defect to the NHTSA. > > -jim "said to be"??? in other words, you don't actually know but you're prepared to guess, despite the fact that you're clueless about the process or the component or the material. -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: jim beam on 14 Feb 2010 10:22 On 02/14/2010 07:03 AM, Mike Hunter wrote: > Get real! That may be your opinion but when a supplier builds to a > manufactures specs how can you blame the supplier, particularly when the > supplier must use material REQUIRED by that manufacturer? > > If a part fails it is ether a design deficiency or a failure of the > materials specified. The steel Dana uses for Toyota is from Nippon of > Japan cite your source. shipping ductile iron ingots from japan to the u.s., to re-melt and re-cast them makes absolutely no economic sense when that cheap plentiful commodity is produced here. > > > Dana makes truck frames for Ford using Mittal Steel made in the US and you > don't see Ford frames rusting or fracturing so what who makes it? it's a commodity. > > Try searching Metalworking News magazine for the truth, WBMS ;) so, you moved from car sales to metalworking??? was it because you were having problems with the math? > > > > "Hachiroku"<Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message > news:pan.2010.02.13.21.50.23.813000(a)e86.GTS... >> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:51:03 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: >> >>> Then you Toyota loyalist should stop posting in other NG in their futile >>> effect to deflect from Toyotas numerous recall problems, those are the >>> ones >>> I have set to delete automatically. >>> >>> What difference does it make where Toyota choose to assemble the parts >>> made >>> to ITS specs? >> >> None whatsoever. It depends on whether they're getting GOOD parts, or junk >> parts from suppliers trying to save a few pennies. >> >> Dana has already proven twice, that they are doing things WRONG. >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Hachiroku"<Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>> news:pan.2010.02.14.00.28.33.328000(a)e86.GTS... >>>> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:02:21 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just ONE MORE of Toyotas on going world wide safety recalls it appears. >>>> >>>> >>>> BZZZZT!!! US and Canadian models ONLY. >>>> >>>> Trucks with parts MADE IN JAPAN are NOT included. >>>> Only Dana junk. >>>> >>>> And STOP cancelling the cross postings. If I WANTED the post only in >>>> toyota, I'd MAKE it only in Toyota! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Hachiroku ????"<Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>> news:hl58sa$b6j$3(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>> I think I heard they're recalling Toyota trucks because the front >>>>>> propellor shaft can separate (probably at the U-joint...) >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, boy... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> > > -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: jim beam on 14 Feb 2010 10:23
On 02/13/2010 05:50 PM, jim wrote: > > > jim beam wrote: > >> >> nothing personal, but i don't believe this because the economics and the >> metallurgy simply don't support the logic. if you have proof they would >> do something so ridiculously inefficient and needlessly expensive [it >> makes no sense to ship ingot because it weighs so much and has so little >> value - shipping finished product is where the economics work] feel free >> to post it, but i'd want to see something definitive, not mere usenet >> gossip. there's nothing special about ductile iron that would >> necessitate a proprietary japanese pour for a usa casting. > > Obviously, the Japanese car makers forgot to consult your advice on the > matter. They may well prefer to ship the finished part, but congress has > managed to make the economics work out that the part gets made in the > US. the material gets made in the u.s. too big guy. ductile iron is a cheap plentiful commodity - it's not worth shipping unless in finished form. > BTW, Most of the steel used in US autos comes from this guy: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakshmi_Mittal red herring. and it's "made by", not "comes from". unless he's got a special orifice with which you happen to be more familiar than most. > > >> >>> From the sounds of it Dana identified a particular batch of castings >>> that were bad (Dana said that less than 2% of the parts shipped had the >>> defect) >>> >>> -jim >> >> -- >> nomina rutrum rutrum -- nomina rutrum rutrum |