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From: dr_jeff on 14 Feb 2010 11:12 Mike Hunter wrote: > Get real! Nippon makes the steel Dana is required to use by Toyota and > Lexus models that are being recalled are made in Japan Evidence please that Nippon makes the steel and that Dana is required to use it by Toyota. Otherwise, you're making a unproven conjecture. Jeff
From: jim on 14 Feb 2010 12:00 jim beam wrote: > > On 02/13/2010 05:50 PM, jim wrote: > > > > > > jim beam wrote: > > > >> > >> nothing personal, but i don't believe this because the economics and the > >> metallurgy simply don't support the logic. if you have proof they would > >> do something so ridiculously inefficient and needlessly expensive [it > >> makes no sense to ship ingot because it weighs so much and has so little > >> value - shipping finished product is where the economics work] feel free > >> to post it, but i'd want to see something definitive, not mere usenet > >> gossip. there's nothing special about ductile iron that would > >> necessitate a proprietary japanese pour for a usa casting. > > > > Obviously, the Japanese car makers forgot to consult your advice on the > > matter. They may well prefer to ship the finished part, but congress has > > managed to make the economics work out that the part gets made in the > > US. > > the material gets made in the u.s. too big guy. Not the same material. Similar materials get made in the U.S. > Ductile iron is a cheap > plentiful commodity - it's not worth shipping unless in finished form. So how does it get to the foundry if no one is shipping it? Ductile iron is an alloy. The Japanese apparently would prefer to use the same alloy they use to make the same parts in Japan. And it costs money to ship the iron ore from Australia to Japan. That probably adds more to the cost than it does to ship the iron from Japan to US. > > > BTW, Most of the steel used in US autos comes from this guy: > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakshmi_Mittal > > red herring. and it's "made by", not "comes from". unless he's got a > special orifice with which you happen to be more familiar than most. The point is that US manufacturing imports both iron and steel, whether you believe it or not.
From: jim on 14 Feb 2010 12:02 jim beam wrote: > "said to be"??? in other words, you don't actually know but you're > prepared to guess, despite the fact that you're clueless about the > process or the component or the material. The actual report submitted to the NHTSA has not been released because that agency was shut down due to the snow storm. So we don't yet know exactly what Dana said. The only news reports are based on the notification Toyota sent to the toyota dealers. According to those reports originating from Toyota the defective part is said to be "joint" in the drive shaft. And the failure due to "improper manufacturing process control".
From: Hachiroku on 14 Feb 2010 17:25 On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:03:50 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: > Get real! That may be your opinion but when a supplier builds to a > manufactures specs how can you blame the supplier, particularly when the > supplier must use material REQUIRED by that manufacturer? > > If a part fails it is ether a design deficiency or a failure of the > materials specified. The steel Dana uses for Toyota is from Nippon of > Japan How about some proof of that?
From: Mike Hunter on 14 Feb 2010 12:37
Do a search and you will discover Steel in an amalgamate that uses iron. Iron is brittle. "Clive" <Clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:OR04DjKUaBeLFw3a(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk... > In message <4b781188$0$9262$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net>, Mike Hunter > <Mikehunt2(a)lycos.?.invalid> writes >>>not made of steel, >>> but Ductile Iron > What's the difference between steel and iron? > -- > Clive > |